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Definitely. We just figured it would be a matter of time. That's okay, though. They're welcome to do whatever they think is best for their business. We'll just keep Reinventing our own Game instead.

One can hope Innova resurrects the DD and the CD2 from the dead ;)

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Oops, replied to the wrong one. As with the above, yes, for sure

Like in the Black Mystery boxes early 2022?!?!?!?!

Discmania manufactured CD2 should be coming, afaik. It was a comment by Jussi in one of these threads

Add MD4 to that list, though I wouldn't complain if it was DM manufactured either!

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As in the ones that were sold this December? Unfortunately not. Signature discs need their own spotlight and day in the sun, unless it's the featured item of the box. Like Tilt or Rainmaker, for example.

Yea, I believe I cross posted some of his responses from a Reddit thread here and that was one of them

DM, nice moves with Kyle and Casey. Subtle moves. Can we look for any signings upcoming, or were all resources invested in the new facility?

Wishful thinking that Jussi was going to pull a mad marketing pull.

Here’s a question for the thread: player/contract swaps are RAGING right now. DM is focusing on “reinventing their game,” and rightfully so. They’re likely trying to put their fiscal resources into keeping their elite team intact. With that said, DM was dominating the “news room” in the disc golf community, but that thunder has been stolen in the off season with these shakeups…

What does Discmania need to do to recover some hype in the foreground of the disc golf scene? The CB3 release was a little lackluster due to shipping issues, the Red Box fell flat for many people because it didn’t have the “April jewels” that people come to lust after (and scalp), and a lot of things got rushed at the end of the year, including some goals that weren’t fully achieved (FD delay, Signature Series holes, etc.). What is the VERY next thing you want to see from The Shield to keep them on their journey to the very top of the mountain?

I don't understand why any company would want to constantly be at the top of the "Hype Mountain" per say....

That being said, they just said on the previous page that the Iron Samurai and Sky God runs are coming in early 2022. That seems like enough to me.

Quoting myself from the 2022 pros switching sponsors thread...

Mystery Box Comparison and Thoughts
 

I received my Black "Eagle Edition" (You'll understand the "" later) Mystery Box today. I thought I'd post a quick comparison between it an my Black Friday Box along with some general thoughts. I think we all knew it was going to be a strange year given the general lack of DM inventory and diversity, I have my own feelings but I am curious to hear yours.

Red (Black Friday) Box:
- MD1, Neo Tactic, Vapor Method, Vapor Instinct, Base Shogun, Neo Enigma, X-out CD2, Premium Genius, Misprint Exo Hard Method

- Thoughts: Stoked for the MD1, Tactic, Vapor Method, Vapor Instint, and Enigma. Never thrown a CD2 or Genius Before. Overall I felt that I got my $100 value back plus some. Cool stamps were a bonus and this box actually filled a lot of what I am already bagging. I was definitely not stoked for the Genius and Shogun. I have not thrown any active line and don't see myself using any of these discs. The Genius might become a lender discs for newer players that I take out.

Black "Eagle Edition" Box:
- Vapor Essence, Exo Soft Origin, X-out DD3, Forge Instinct, Base Sensei, Premium Mentor, Premium Astronaut, Rainmaker x2

- Thoughts: Very excited for the rainmakers. These feel like great putters and I am excited to give them a shot. Essence is a staple in my bag so I am excited to have it in the Vapor plastic, although obviously not something I can replace if lost. The Forge instinct seems great as well. I am just getting used to throwing them (I am somewhat new) and will be curious to see how it compares to the Vapor and Neo plastics. The origin is interesting, the Origin was one of my first discs and I love it, but for me it is incredibly flippy and becoming less and less useful. Not sure if the exo soft will get a ton of use. I am excited to give the Astronaut a try, but disappointed with the Sensei and Mentor. Aside from the pin and the Rainmakers this box does NOT have an Eagle Edition theme. It would have been cool to see some Eagle stamps thrown in, that would have really increased value in my opinion.

Overall: I feel that I at least got my $200 investment back from the two boxes, so that is satisfying. That being said, neither box was a "Mystery" to me. I got the exact same box as a large number of people and was not "Surprised" by anything except the X-outs. DM needs to find a work around for this next year.

I am both excited and a little hesitant to get too used to the evolution line "Special Edition" discs because they are not replaceable if I happen to fall in love and then lose a disc (This is one of DM's major flaws with the Evolution line right now in my opinion). Same thing goes for the X-outs - Cool, but what is the point of working them into the bag? The MD1 and rainmakers seem Epic. I am very excited to DM ramp up production of both of these, great inclusions. The Active Line....... I get that DM is going to include these molds, I really do get it, but I really have to fight back my disappointment with these discs. I am just not going to throw any of them except perhaps for the Astronaut.

Suggestion: I'd really like DM to take a "Trading Card" approach to the mystery boxes. In this model there are tiers of discs - Base, Silver, Gold, Etc. It would be neat to see every box get say 4 base, 2-3 silver, and 1-2 gold level discs in a box rather than everyone getting pretty much an identical box. I think DM needs to be more transparent about the boxes next year because I am not 100% sure that I'd buy one right now unless they are more upfront.

What are your thoughts?

Well DM did produce these boxes from scratch. I.e. no old inventory, less x-outs or weird little rarities lef lying around, but more just manufacturing discs to be put into boxes straight up.

I like your tier idea. Not sure how easy to implement. Some time ago they did make one special box that was all gold tier, that was epic. It was random who got it tho.

I dont necessarily understand not wanting to bag the x-outs as "difficult to replace"? Arent they just cosmetic defects and should fly just like the others? Taking into account that even discs in same mold, weight and plastic may fly differently.

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Good feedback here and well written. We always appreciate a professional take on something rather than grumpy random text. We will make sure to evaluate these types of things in great detail once they conclude and make adjustments for the next time around.

Just to point out one thing here, you mention that these seemed to not be a mystery and not too many people were "surprised" yet in the final statement you list your wishes for full transparency. What's the difference here?

As Flick Maniac mentioned, these are all produced with the sole intention of going into the box. Aside from a potential production issue (Neo Link in US), nothing is included because it's a product that hasn't been selling well, which is ultimately the goal of a "discount/bargain box" from any company. But not for us.

There will always be great improvements each time these products come about, we promise. Feedback is valuable and we always listen to it.

hold the phone - does that mean you guys are already producing a new CD2??

Yes, I suppose that is slightly contradictory, let me clarify: I think that transparency would be important with regards to the process for making the boxes and the general content, not the actual specifics when it comes to surprises and exact discs and box content. I'd really like to see something along the lines of - "This is what we did last year and here is what will be different this year." Again, that is with regards to the production process, not the specific contents of the boxes. I think such a strategy would help to build the hype.

I have been nothing but impressed with this thread and DMs willingness to engage. That is one of the reasons why I continue to support DM with my purchases. I enjoy writing thoughtful feedback (I used to write product reviews professionally) so I will continue to do so.

Looking forward to the production update.

Hey thanks! We're not all that bad once you get to know us :). It's highly appreciated to know that people do value our interaction with them.

We've got a few ideas in mind to keep it a bit more transparent with the unboxing experience especially. We'll evaluate these other points for sure.

Interested in the CB3 stamp colors/foils. Is there any information on the amount of different stamp colors? I've seen people speculate that there about 10 different colors, is that true?

DearDiscmania Support,
I love ❤️ the feel of the Rainmaker.
Is there any possibility that these will get to store shelves as normal stock?
I can’t bring myself to putt with a limited run.
Anyways, my practice putting routine usually involves a stack of 5 or 10 discs.

Thinking about transferring to the Rainmaker as my main putter, but the Limited Edition is a deal killer…

Did some reading on older posts and got my answer.
Can’t wait for full production!!!!!!!

Definitely in the same boat as you. I like the feel and the flight so far. The Logic has become my putter of choice over the last year and these fly pretty similarly. I am ready to see that production update and sad is hasn't come yet.

fwiw Eric Oakley has hinted at something coming from infinitediscs

I totally agree. We’re waiting in a lot of things. DM said the had limited quantities of the CB3 due to shipping issues, but we never saw more. The glow Iron Samurai was supposed to come out during glow season, and that clock is ticking. No FD. No flex 1&3 P2s. No update. And a large pool of dissatisfied mystery box reviews. I’m hoping to see a tidal wave here soon!!

Comes from a place of love because the Discmaniacs have been through a lot the last couple of years.

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We have, too :)

Lots of good news coming over the course of the next few weeks. Thanks for hanging in there

You ARE a part of the Discmaniacs. We’re all on the same team!

One thing to consider: My black box had a 20% off coupon that’s valid through February. It would be very cool if product were stocked before then, and not so cool if product were stocked at the first of March.

But, it’s a date to watch.

This got me wondering…DM is low on a LOT of things (again), but we know they’re machines are not up and running at 100% capacity. Do you think they’re saving/shipping discs for the biggest restock in the history of disc golf or do you think this ebb and flow will be how they have to restock since they have to split and ship their inventory overseas?

Leading to my ultimate question: do you think we will see a stateside manufacturing site for DM in the future (likely in Colorado), and do you think that would help with the problem?

Stateside manufacturing wold be incredible for us players! Especially since shipping entire containers is now 1) much more expensive and 2) an excruciatingly long time lapse. It took DM a longtime to get any production at all, in Sweden, but maybe now they know the ‘power’ of possessing the means of production, they might consider your idea.

Before any of that might happen, I would expect to see ready stock of their popular molds.

There is no doubt that stateside manufacturing will help. I imagine that in the grand scale of time, this is a matter of when rather than if, but perhaps if the supply chain catches up over the next couple of years (rather than worsening) this would be unnecessary. I think growing companies need to be looking at Discraft's production model right now - A little over a year ago their inventory was very hit and miss, now they have a pretty darn near constant supply of their popular molds with more and more plastic options. It is a little bit of a strange move to set up shop in Sweden when so much of the disc golf consumption is happening in the US. Jussi is smart though, I'm sure he has his reasons and long term vision.

On the separate point of the question of restock and inventory moving into the spring. I have to think that we are just on the edge of some big announcements. Late Dec and early Jan has nearly entirely involved finishing out mystery box season (I think DM will be glad to move on from that) and focusing on signings and team management. I imagine a lot of focus going into outfitting the team with discs for the upcoming season. With that all taken care of, there is no doubt that the focus for the next year has to be on steady releases and keeping inventory up to snuff. I do imagine there are going to be some supply "dumps" whether that be new molds, original re-stocks (MD3/P2 - S-line Please???), and updating the evolution line. I have to imagine that once the splice and mutant have their stock releases we will see a neo tactic come out with a stock release (How could it not?)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZMwVqBl1YU/

love the stamp, excited to see how these turn out :)

Lllleeettttssss gggggggoooooooo!!!!!!!

Now we’re talking. Can’t wait to light it up!!

id wipe it

First of all DM - I'm stoked for the Iron Samurai 3, so thanks for brightening up my week.

It looks like Innova is putting out what I assume is another DM originals mold in the "Hawkeye" that recently got PDGA approval. So that is now 3 molds - the FD, PD, and what might be an FD2 from Innova in a matter of 6-8 weeks. What is the general thought on this from Discmania throwers? I cannot help but feel slightly perturbed at the childish behavior as in - first undercutting DMs supply knowing full well that Innova owned the molds and then turning around to re-sell the molds on their own. I get that they are good molds and I am half tempted to try them out, but honestly don't really feel like giving my money to Innova based not only on their treatment of their players (based on reports from Kona, Ricky, etc) but also how they totally screwed DM over.

How many people are going to pick up these new re-branded DM originals from Innova?

Right now they are all outrageously expensive, both Innova's reborn molds and DiscMania's Italian blends.

Maybe if one or the other drops to 15-18 bucks I might try one or the other.

PD and FD are currently available for retail on the pro shop. New md3 and p2 are readily available for retail as well.

Hawkeye is the FD. They only ran that one "troll" run of fairway disc and then resubmitted it for approval with a new name. Hailey King confirmed that it is the FD in an interview that she did.

It's possible that Hailey is not correct. The measurements listed for the two on the pdga site are slightly different. Wouldn't be the first time a pro is wrong about something

They are literally making it her tour series disc. The PDGA measurements are notoriously innacurate.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...&postcount=165

Holy **** stop looking at the measurements on the pdga site and making conclusions. They are always inaccurate.
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