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Originally Posted by fasteddie
(Post 2705240)
Other than once in a while happy accidents (2nd run FD) a wide variation of flights from the same mold between runs is for the birds.
I'm a fellow discmaniac and these are some suggestions/observations/stream of consciousness thought barf
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED! (including that there will always be a *slight* variation between runs, there are already variations of runs/plastics to cover *most slots*)
Compared to the distance and fairway line ups, the mids are a mess.
the name of the game is consistency..
all MD3s should be overstable.
all MD2s should be stable.
all MD1s(after the possible retool) should fly understable.
these three flight paths plus the GM as a tweener/utility beefcake MD4** would be a complete midrange line up that rivals the competitors.
there is barely any distinction between the MD1/MD2/MD3 at least not enough to cover all bag slots (truly overstable/truly understable). They are all stable/straight to fade flyers
Please don't just start shoehorning mold after mold into the line up.
If discmania could offer a complete range of mid flight paths from understable to overstable (md1/md2/md3/md4**) keeping simplicity (number of molds) and consistency paramount (they fly like they should), they would be ahead of the game.
I love how discmania has kept a close eye on variations and made it a point to know the subtleties of flight paths. Being proactive and vocal as to which ones you're buying has seriously separated them from the competition (for the better) in my eyes..
BUT!
wouldn't it be easier if all MD3s flew like MD3s?
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Very good points. The variation between the the MD2 and MD3 right now is that one is flatter and faster and the other one has a bit of a dome. We are working on making our disc line up perfect. Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts for us.
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Originally Posted by DinosaurThunder
(Post 2705616)
I must commend you for the stock stamp x-line P2 with a mini store stamp! I would love to see this done on other molds :) reminds me of when innova puts mini wings on stock stamps. Just a nice touch and nice look! Keep up the good work!
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Thank you, We will consider it for sure.
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Originally Posted by markbuch
(Post 2705811)
This would be awesome. If I recall, Discmania's glow plastic is softer than Jolly Launcher which would be great. Flat/gummier would be a dream. It's basically impossible to find the old opaque CMD2s anywhere.
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Thanks for your thoughts. Have you tried our flat C-LINE MD3s? They are very straight but can still handle the power the same way the older MD2s did.
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Originally Posted by maskedavenger
(Post 2706593)
get a glow MD3, in my experience they are 99,9% the same disc as good 'ol flat opaque cmd2s
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I believe the MD3s are overstable, but i've been wrong before.
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Originally Posted by gerth_vader
(Post 2707224)
I think a flat topped glow c-line GM would also be a great fundraiser disc
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Interesting. The GM seems to have a pretty good following.
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Originally Posted by New013
(Post 2707243)
i thought the glow MD3's were actually beefy? the opaque cmd2's started out with solid fade but i wouldn't call them beefy. i guess i need to buy one to see for myself.
i also would be ecstatic if they brought back the gummier plastic for CMD2's, if that means glow plastic whatever. im just overall not a huge fan of the hard slick plastic for my mids; that's why i'm hoarding the opaque gummies.
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Interesting. Thanks for the insight.
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Originally Posted by maskedavenger
(Post 2707261)
thats what people keep saying but the two glow md3s i have are indentical, slightly power hungry maybe but straight with moderate fade. forehand given a good snap they are surprisingly long and super straight.
maybe my md2 was a freak? dunno, anyways IMO these were the perfect replacement to when I lost it
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The glow C-LINE MD3s are really good. Simon Lizotte is using the new domey Glow C-MD3.
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Originally Posted by fasteddie
(Post 2709175)
I feel like a flat topped GM would fly like a badass slim profile gator.. or an MD4* :thmbup:
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Interesting idea.
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Originally Posted by New013
(Post 2709344)
that pretty much describes the opaques i have; then after you beat them in a bit the fade kinda dies off but the high speed stability stays. to me the first JL run were more power hungry and the flats really lacked glide and the domier ones faded to early. even the ones i beat in still didn't fly as well as the opaques, they just wouldn't get up and go the same way.
they're saying the new run of JL's are more like the originals so I'll have to check those out but I still would rather have a softer plastic for my mids.
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Have you tried the newer run of the C-LINE MD2?
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Originally Posted by mrDROCK
(Post 2709348)
G-Line FDs and FD2s in the future?
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We have G-LINE FDs.
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Originally Posted by Columbia gorge
(Post 2709350)
G- line FDs exist.
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True.
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Originally Posted by runningDoc
(Post 2709394)
they actually have Factory Seconds G-FDs and D-FD (yup DX FDs for $6.00) at the Innova Factory Store. There is also first run X-out G-FDs (only in max weight though) at the Discmania online store.
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We should have more of these when we get our x-out stock updated.
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Originally Posted by rallyguy
(Post 2710426)
Do you guys not produce a lot of lighter weight C line plastic? It seems like 170-171 is the lightest I usually find online, even at the Discmania store. Do the lighter weights not mold up how you want them? Just curious as to how that decision gets made.
Cliff notes: I'd love to find a 167g 3rd run or later C FD and C CD2 :D
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At the moment all of the lighter C-LINE FDs we have are the hard pearly 2nd run. Which I believe is not what you're looking for.
We will take a look at the CD2 situation and get them if they are available.
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Originally Posted by rallyguy
(Post 2710797)
Those were the two exceptions, I forgot to mention those. Those light FD's are my favorites, 166-169 are right in my wheelhouse.
I'd love a non blizzard DD2 or even a PD2 that light
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I believe we have some of the PD2s available right now. they are either mini shield stamped and stock stamped.
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Originally Posted by dehaas
(Post 2712614)
The low 160s s line dd2s from hero flat out bombed. Think that's the longest forehand disc I've thrown.
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Interesting. Maybe we will have to take a trip over there and see if they have any left.
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Originally Posted by JTacoma03
(Post 2712973)
Yes, agreed. Since it's not my place to speak on that part of the operation, I'll just say it's something they're aware of. :)
I've had some of the same issues in switching over from the Roc/Roc3/Shark3 combo I was using, but thanks to the tireless efforts of the legendary Ryan Rintala I've got a good set together now.
Glow C-MD3's are overstable
new run C-MD3's (more dome) are stable
flat C-MD2's are drifty with some fade
flat gummy JL MD3's are point-and-shoot line holders
Hope this helps for now.
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Thanks for the kind words. We try to help out anyone that calls in too. Anybody out there please feel free to call the store and we will try to help you with what you're looking for.
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Originally Posted by fasteddie
(Post 2713373)
yarp
Ryan is the man.
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Awe thanks guys, you're making me blush.
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Originally Posted by New013
(Post 2713833)
are the glow MD3's on the site domey or flat?
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The new glow MD3s have moderate dome. It's the most overstable mid we have right now.
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Originally Posted by Soups
(Post 2713835)
What's the difference between the first and second run FD available on the discmania store?
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First run FDs fly straight with high glide and 2nd runs fly straight with extra high speed stability and harder fade.
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Originally Posted by DinosaurThunder
(Post 2713859)
First runs have a fair amount of dome and are stable. First runs are very straight flying with a slight fade. These are harder to find. This is my favorite run of the FD and the only run I bag.
Second runs are flat and pearly (have bubbles in the rim). This disc is very stable/straight with a fade at the end of flight. This disc holds up to power well and will beat in very straight. I would say this flies slightly farther than the first runs.
Third runs flight is right in the middle of the first and second runs. I have heard this run gives the best of both worlds as far as flight goes.
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Thanks
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Originally Posted by BirdieMachine
(Post 2714552)
So P-Line FD's?
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Still working on a couple things first before we move on to new creations.
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Originally Posted by vogurt
(Post 2714959)
Are P2x's going top happen?!
I just got a D and X P1x, after putting with Ions last year. I liked them without the wind I was crusing from 25 ft in the garage all night, but with wind I was hoping for a little more fade.
I'm wondering If a P2 would be similar to my Ion? I don't like that I'm putting with Neutron plastic, very slick. And I would imagine a P2 with a medium bead would be even a tick more OS so I don't want to buy a P2 if P2x's will be a thing soon!!
Thanks
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P2x will not be coming that soon. When we tested them the P2 was more overstable. But then again that was a C-LINE P2.
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Originally Posted by whentherainscome
(Post 2714967)
Nice looking glow discs in the store right now. Too bad they're all max wt. :-/
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thanks, unfortunately they are all heavy at the moment. The glow C-LINE FDs are actually one of the more understable versions of the FD
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Originally Posted by JTacoma03
(Post 2716667)
IMO MVP discs are severely lacking in glide. P2's are overstable enough to be thrown off the tee, on the approach, and obviously are great for both push and spin putters (Avery and Simon both use them, and their putting styles are very contrasting). You really can't get a better beadless putter.
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Thanks, we really love the P2 it really gets the job done.
Whew! finally caught up, thanks for all of the comments and questions guys! It's great to hear from all of the current and future Discmaniacs!
Best Regards,
Ryan Rintala