I also would love to see a disc with the speed, glide, and feel of the Relay with turn fade numbers like 0 to -.5 in HSS and a 2 in LSS. Right now I finesse a Volt for this role, but I'd rather have the disc I just described and let the Volt be for longer stuff.

The Crave IS a Relay for more poweful players, but does not compliment the Relay. It only fades if underthrown or started with extra hyzer.

Ahem.. Switch!

Switch has more turn and more dumpy fade. It's not more OS, it just fades harder and faster.

I wouldn't say more turn but definitely similar turn and a reasonable fade. If Relay has a fade of 1 the Switch should be 1.5.. That late fade is pretty good if you can control it... doesn't kick in until the end of flight but it can be dumpy or it can pan wide if you give it a little nose up. The problem I see with it is the HSS it's like it could use a .5 more to even out with what the LSS can do.. Either way it OOP now.. Not enough fans

A fresh Relay(mind you, all mine are Circuit stamps) I would rate 6, 5, -.5, .5. It is the straightest fairway I have ever thrown. If it had better glide, I would call it the Comet of fairways. ;)

Perhaps playing at about 1200 feet changes it that much, perhaps the newer Relays are not as stable, but I diffentally got more turn but less distance out of the Switch.

I don't have a big sample either.. Two switches 4 Relays.. I tended to use the Switch as a FH touch kind of Relay. My one switch that's worn the most has become more of a straight flyer kinda like a fresh Relay, it's lost more LSS then it's buddy. The fresher one I throw with a touch of anhyzer and nose down and it's real straight with a late quick dump and drop..

If I throw it with some nose up it's harder to regulate how much turn it will get but it will pan wide on the fade, it gives me a unique shot. Unfortunately it also gets to a squirrelly place where with some headwind it gets unpredictable. So I haven't been bagging it for a little while, played lots of 2 and 3 disc rounds with it.. Still debating whether I should pick up a few or not before they're gone

For me the Switch was a slower Amp with less glide. Not exactly a turnover disc, but not HSS enough or with a predictable enough fade to be a workhorse neutral disc.

I really like how the Relay comes out of my hand. It will fly dead straight while working up from a small amount of hyzer before it turns over. If I try and get it to flip up, hold, then fade it can be very touchy. So something very similar, but a full step more HSS.

The problem is... they never finished that class of discs for whatever reason. It was a great idea to have that class as the Circuit driver...



...and then they stopped before making the "Tbird/eagle/crave" version of that class...:confused:

So people are stuck trying to use discs like the Switch, which is basically the same flight as a relay just a tick faster. The Crave which doesn't at all fly the same line, or the Servo, which being a tick faster might be more OS than people want in a Relay partner...

all part of mvps demise

were watching the steady decline in progress

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