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DiscFifty 01-31-2020 10:16 AM

I think it's obvious he has the snap and arm speed. Just needs to level out that form. I think his short game will be his main assets early on.


TheirTheir 01-31-2020 11:01 AM

If you are actually interested in our sport growing, you should, at a minimum, be optimistic about Brodie's success. Failing to acknowledge his potential and judging him by his technicality after 4 weeks is laughable. Things will click and he will start finding success far faster than, well, you...

Jay Dub 01-31-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheirTheir (Post 3542860)
If you are actually interested in our sport growing, you should, at a minimum, be optimistic about Brodie's success. Failing to acknowledge his potential and judging him by his technicality after 4 weeks is laughable. Things will click and he will start finding success far faster than, well, you...

What about the people posting how great he will be this year after only 4 weeks? :popcorn:

Seems the people posting these type of comments are only aiming their thoughts towards the people who say he won't be a top rated player this year.

Cap Tan 01-31-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheirTheir (Post 3542860)
If you are actually interested in our sport growing, you should, at a minimum, be optimistic about Brodie's success. Failing to acknowledge his potential and judging him by his technicality after 4 weeks is laughable. Things will click and he will start finding success far faster than, well, you...

I agree. I'm new to disc golf and knew absolutely zero pro disc golfers prior to me starting to play. But I knew Brodie Smith and I don't even play ultimate frisbee. I came across his videos and enjoyed all the trick shots and his personality. He'll be great for the sport for that reason if no other.

F. Howl 01-31-2020 11:34 AM

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He's already succeeding to some degree. He has ball golfers commenting that they're thinking of buying some discs, and it'll probably be that Brodie Smith/Discraft starter pack:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...2&d=1580488419

PhillyMatt 01-31-2020 11:46 AM

Suddenly my 50,000ish PDGA number doesn't seem so bad.

ChrisWoj 01-31-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Titan037 (Post 3537658)
Also the Distance drive practice is paying off, he can already throw over 450ft.

I mean... how far could he already throw an Ultrastar?

DiscFifty 01-31-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3542883)
I mean... how far could he already throw an Ultrastar?

I've been trying to find this out as well. I've seen his comments of "200ft being a far throw", but I've never seen anything approaching 250-300ft or more (on flat ground, etc). ? ? ?

Jay Dub 01-31-2020 12:07 PM

Watching that video he's having a hard time hitting a soccer net.

ChrisWoj 01-31-2020 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3542884)
I've been trying to find this out as well. I've seen his comments of "200ft being a far throw", but I've never seen anything approaching 250-300ft or more (on flat ground, etc). ? ? ?

I'd be very surprised if he couldn't throw an Ultrastar over 300 feet backhand. Maybe I'm overestimating the skill of Ultimate players - but at the college level it seemed like every halfway okay team had 3 guys who could put a pull through the other end zone if they were feeling like it. (I played [very poorly] for three years) (played may be an exaggeration...)

I found a quora question from 2013 with one answer calling him an "excellent deep thrower." A reddit thread from the same year has a respondent stating that even if he can't move, he's still an asset because of his throw (the thread was asking if he was one of the best in the world, and at the time he was dealing with a lower body injury of some kind so wasn't moving well).

The thing is most of these seem to be talking about his forehand, and not his backhand...
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I don't know about his on field capabilities, but his throws are really amazing. During the World's that just ended, in the JB vs Sockeye game, he had the disc and was being fouled on the mark. Mid fall, he let rip a full field forehand huck that made its way nicely to the back of the endzone.
full field is 70 yards, back of the end zone is 25. 95 yard falling forehand with an ultrastar is a damn impressive level of control. He might develop one hell of a power forehand in the end. Still doesn't help me with his backhand power potential, and it sounds like all the talk about him being a valuable big arm is about his forehand.

ILUVSMGS18 01-31-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoatPaco (Post 3542738)
He throws like the guy at the top of Intermediate who absolutely bombs but it's kind of all over the place.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...09/639/186.jpg

Cap Tan 01-31-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3542889)
I'd be very surprised if he couldn't throw an Ultrastar over 300 feet backhand. Maybe I'm overestimating the skill of Ultimate players - but at the college level it seemed like every halfway okay team had 3 guys who could put a pull through the other end zone if they were feeling like it. (I played [very poorly] for three years) (played may be an exaggeration...)

I found a quora question from 2013 with one answer calling him an "excellent deep thrower." A reddit thread from the same year has a respondent stating that even if he can't move, he's still an asset because of his throw (the thread was asking if he was one of the best in the world, and at the time he was dealing with a lower body injury of some kind so wasn't moving well).

The thing is most of these seem to be talking about his forehand, and not his backhand...

full field is 70 yards, back of the end zone is 25. 95 yard falling forehand with an ultrastar is a damn impressive level of control. He might develop one hell of a power forehand in the end. Still doesn't help me with his backhand power potential, and it sounds like all the talk about him being a valuable big arm is about his forehand.


I'm not sure how far he can throw or if it even matters. The guy has skill plain and simple. He posted a video on Instagram of himself (and later of Paul McBeth) making ten 20' putts in under 10 seconds. In my opinion, that's pretty dang good. I think at this point he's got the skill and that will only get better as he practices. What he probably lacks the most right now is the "game IQ" of being able to shape shots and see lines that others (like me) don't see. That will come with experience, and you can't rush experience. It just takes time.

JuanA 01-31-2020 12:54 PM

These Brodie videos are so much easier to watch than his usual content.

Almost 57,000 views in the first 24 hours of this video...I took some flak in the "Leverage" thread, but I still feel his results will be irrelevant. Cheer him or jeer him, you can't argue with this guy's numbers.

He will be getting people into disc golf, and Discraft will be moving discs because of him regardless of his results.

ejvogie 01-31-2020 12:56 PM

Shotgunning putters is only useful in side games. Show me where he hits a 50' headwind putt with a title on the line (or just cash) and a rabbit moving behind the basket and I'll be impressed.

Cap Tan 01-31-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ejvogie (Post 3542917)
Shotgunning putters is only useful in side games. Show me where he hits a 50' headwind putt with a title on the line (or just cash) and a rabbit moving behind the basket and I'll be impressed.

I don't disagree with you. My point was just that while many can't seem to understand why he was signed with relatively no experience, he has a lot more skill than the average joe. Whether or not he can handle the pressure is yet to be seen. In a lot of ways I think his ultimate exploits were probably easier as they're done "in the moment" with no time to think, just react. In golf (ball or disc) there's nothin BUT time to think...

frasnow 01-31-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by F. Howl (Post 3542870)
He's already succeeding to some degree. He has ball golfers commenting that they're thinking of buying some discs, and it'll probably be that Brodie Smith/Discraft starter pack:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...2&d=1580488419

His view numbers as compared to other disc golf related content are great. About three days and episode 1 of building the bag is nearly at 100k. :clap:

Jolt 01-31-2020 02:08 PM

Yes. 100k views is very good. . BUT its still very few of his +2M followers that have viewed the video. .thats only 5%

ru4por 01-31-2020 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap Tan (Post 3542901)
I'm not sure how far he can throw or if it even matters. The guy has skill plain and simple. He posted a video on Instagram of himself (and later of Paul McBeth) making ten 20' putts in under 10 seconds. In my opinion, that's pretty dang good. I think at this point he's got the skill and that will only get better as he practices. What he probably lacks the most right now is the "game IQ" of being able to shape shots and see lines that others (like me) don't see. That will come with experience, and you can't rush experience. It just takes time.

I want to make sure I am not coming across as a Brodie hater. I think he has some terrific value add to our sport.

But, in the video, he does not even seem to understand the idea of stable/understable discs. Concepts like hyzerflip need time, practice and understanding to use. I just think he is a long way from competitive MPO golf. With his Frisbee experience, athleticism and obvious competitive drive, I think his learning curve could be pretty accelerated, in comparison to the average noob.

Jay Dub 01-31-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3542978)
I want to make sure I am not coming across as a Brodie hater. I think he has some terrific value add to our sport.

But, in the video, he does not even seem to understand the idea of stable/understable discs. Concepts like hyzerflip need time, practice and understanding to use. I just think he is a long way from competitive MPO golf. With his Frisbee experience, athleticism and obvious competitive drive, I think his learning curve could be pretty accelerated, in comparison to the average noob.

Not the average pro.

warmuth 01-31-2020 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3542978)
I want to make sure I am not coming across as a Brodie hater. I think he has some terrific value add to our sport.

But, in the video, he does not even seem to understand the idea of stable/understable discs. Concepts like hyzerflip need time, practice and understanding to use. I just think he is a long way from competitive MPO golf. With his Frisbee experience, athleticism and obvious competitive drive, I think his learning curve could be pretty accelerated, in comparison to the average noob.

I got the impression he was just playing to the viewers there to make Mcbeth relevant in the video to provide info for the people with no idea. All of those concepts have been explained to him in other videos and he probably knew them before hand anyway. Not to mention he's already been throwing and it takes about 5 minutes to learn the concepts. He is definitely playing dumb.

brutalbrutus 01-31-2020 04:23 PM

There are people that have been playing for years that don't understand the terminology... or are the endless "What does stable mean" threads just a figment of my imagination...

Jay Dub 01-31-2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3543054)
There are people that have been playing for years that don't understand the terminology... or are the endless "What does stable mean" threads just a figment of my imagination...

Disc golfers use the word stable incorrectly. New players see that and ask wtf. :)
Some experienced players try to debate it but the fact is, we use it wrong.

ru4por 01-31-2020 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by warmuth (Post 3543042)
I got the impression he was just playing to the viewers there to make Mcbeth relevant in the video to provide info for the people with no idea. All of those concepts have been explained to him in other videos and he probably knew them before hand anyway. Not to mention he's already been throwing and it takes about 5 minutes to learn the concepts. He is definitely playing dumb.

Yeah, certainly could be. If so, he plays dumb pretty convincingly.

brutalbrutus 01-31-2020 04:53 PM

I think at one time in the driver vid he says something about this series of vids being geared to help new players build a bag, not just his journey in doing so, right?

ru4por 01-31-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3543054)
There are people that have been playing for years that don't understand the terminology... or are the endless "What does stable mean" threads just a figment of my imagination...

Not only the terminology, but the even the concepts can prove a challenge for non new players. The idea of throwing understable plastic on a hyzer angle, still baffles one of my buddies.

wolfmandragon 01-31-2020 07:02 PM

These are scripted. Don't read too much into it. Carry on

RFrance 01-31-2020 11:20 PM


Mocheez 02-01-2020 12:27 AM

10 made putts from 20 feet in less than 10 seconds. Not one disc golfer can beat Brodie’s time of 5.66 seconds? Eagle owes him a Grip bag.

da Crippler 02-01-2020 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap Tan (Post 3542924)
My point was just that while many can't seem to understand why he was signed with relatively no experience, he has a lot more skill than the average joe.

His 2.19 million Youtube subscribers might have something to do with it. Even if he completely sucks he'll still be a draw. How many will follow him to dg? Time will tell but it could be a huge number.

wims 02-01-2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3542976)
Yes. 100k views is very good. . BUT its still very few of his +2M followers that have viewed the video. .thats only 5%

Thats how youtube works. Nobody gets views equal to their subscriber count

Jay Dub 02-01-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by da Crippler (Post 3543211)
His 2.19 million Youtube subscribers might have something to do with it. Even if he completely sucks he'll still be a draw. How many will follow him to dg? Time will tell but it could be a huge number.

If him sucking becomes true where would anyone be able to see him?
Not in golf tournaments which I thought was the whole point of him growing the sport.

dorseymatt 02-01-2020 09:01 AM

Obviously he’s not yet where he will need to be to compete at an elite level, but there are a couple interesting things in these videos I noticed. One thing that really stood out how coachable and aware of mechanics Brodie is. McBeth tells him to adjust his angle of release by manipulating his core, and he does exactly that. Have you ever tried to get someone to this? I have. People struggle with it when they’re not used to it, and Brodie is used to manipulating the disc in his hand as opposed to changing his core/posture. I thought his ability to adjust his mechanics on the fly with seemingly no problem was impressive and a sign that he will be able to dial his form in much more quickly than a lot of people would believe.
The other thing I noticed — dude put a few high speed drivers on a rope through or very near a soccer goal over 200 feet away. How many sub-1000-rated players can do that consistently while putting around 400 feet of power or more on the disc? I will tell you I’m a 970-rated player with that level of power, and I would have only done better than that on a good day, using discs I’m familiar with.

da Crippler 02-01-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3543226)
If him sucking becomes true where would anyone be able to see him?
Not in golf tournaments which I thought was the whole point of him growing the sport.

Discraft will make sure he is seen. I can picture them drooling and slobbering all over those 2.2 million subscribers as potential customers. And of course there are enough Brodie haters who would love to watch him fail should that be the case, so either way he'll draw an audience. I'll bet that every card he plays on will have a cameraman in the gallery, and videos will be available.

Jay Dub 02-01-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by da Crippler (Post 3543243)
Discraft will make sure he is seen. I can picture them drooling and slobbering all over those 2.2 million subscribers as potential customers. And of course there are enough Brodie haters who would love to watch him fail should that be the case, so either way he'll draw an audience. I'll bet that every card he plays on will have a cameraman in the gallery, and videos will be available.

So people want to see him because he's Brodie and not because of what he does?
I thought his attraction was his throwing, if he sucks at that you're saying people still want to see him?

I didn't realize that.

jenb 02-01-2020 10:21 AM

Has Brodie broken 300 yet?

JuanA 02-01-2020 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3543226)
If him sucking becomes true where would anyone be able to see him?

I'm sure he'll have someone filming him, and it will get posted to his YouTube channel.

If he does suck, more people will see that than the coverage the lead card gets.

Jay Dub 02-01-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JuanA (Post 3543248)
I'm sure he'll have someone filming him, and it will get posted to his YouTube channel.

If he does suck, more people will see that than the coverage the lead card gets.

If that becomes true it will happen once....once! ;)

Jolt 02-01-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3543213)
Thats how youtube works. Nobody gets views equal to their subscriber count


That might be tru, but i still think 5% is low
Jomez has 171k subs. . . and their latest videos around 60-90k views , around 30-50% of their subs

brutalbrutus 02-01-2020 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jenb (Post 3543247)
Has Brodie broken 300 yet?

There's a video in this thread of him throwing 495

armiller 02-01-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dorseymatt (Post 3543227)
Obviously hes not yet where he will need to be to compete at an elite level, but there are a couple interesting things in these videos I noticed. One thing that really stood out how coachable and aware of mechanics Brodie is. McBeth tells him to adjust his angle of release by manipulating his core, and he does exactly that. Have you ever tried to get someone to this? I have. People struggle with it when theyre not used to it, and Brodie is used to manipulating the disc in his hand as opposed to changing his core/posture. I thought his ability to adjust his mechanics on the fly with seemingly no problem was impressive and a sign that he will be able to dial his form in much more quickly than a lot of people would believe.
The other thing I noticed dude put a few high speed drivers on a rope through or very near a soccer goal over 200 feet away. How many sub-1000-rated players can do that consistently while putting around 400 feet of power or more on the disc? I will tell you Im a 970-rated player with that level of power, and I would have only done better than that on a good day, using discs Im familiar with.

Good points. I think coachability is important, and the other thing is a simple love for disc flight. I don't think it's contrived. He likes using different discs and releases etc. to get very different flights. If you folks are anything like me, that simple fact, or appreciation for disc flight, is the main thing that keeps me coming back to this game.

Now whether Brodie is motivated to work hard to achieve greatness is another thing, but can anyone deny the potential?

One thing I noticed from these two videos (drivers and mids) is that Paul comes across quite well, as the professional. He embraces Brodie's enthusiasm and makes small corrections, but presents well. As anyone could have expected, he continues to be a good face for disc golf (and for Discraft). Brodie, on the other hand, makes it based on Pure energy and enthusiasm. He says some things that make us disc golfers cringe, but I like his attitude more than I expected and I'm certainly curious how 2020 and beyond will go for Mr. Brodie bro.


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