Disc Golf Course Review

Disc Golf Course Review (https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/index.php)
-   General Disc Golf Chat (https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Brodie Smith PDGA #128378 (https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135632)

runningoz 12-09-2020 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3666727)
What impresses me, and this is taking him at his word and he said it to me like 10 years ago, but he says the only time he has for disc golf is tournament rounds. I'd venture some of the ability to retain the muscle memory comes from the fact that he's been playing since he was a child.

I'll take this time to tell everyone to subscribe to his YouTube channel...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC40...RV4tYr5VSMl5Lg

ru4por 12-09-2020 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3667218)
Might as well send a letter to Dynamic Discs as well for employees not wearing masks.

https://www.facebook.com/DynamicDiscs

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...61&oe=5FF5743C

Is this from some place of butthurt, for daring to be offended by your Brodie??

If not, why are you not writing to DD? Your offense, to ignoring the SIMPLEST of precautions against, the largest global health crisis, in our lives, should be the same as mine.

This is a Brodie thread, Discraft is in MY backyard, they are a company I have supported for nearly three decades.

If this is just butthurt, I hear Eucerin helps.

I did receive a very nice, concerned reply from Discraft.....for the record.

DiscFifty 12-09-2020 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3667237)
Is this from some place of butthurt, for daring to be offended by your Brodie??....

That was a pretty big reply from just my 16 word comment. I actually was just expecting you to reply with.. "I agree." oh well...

ru4por 12-09-2020 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3667239)
That was a pretty big reply from just my 16 word comment. I actually was just expecting you to reply with.. "I agree." oh well...

What was your point?

DiscFifty 12-09-2020 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3667240)
What was your point?

That I totally frickin agree with you. You've been pretty active lately on this forum, sometimes it's good to slow down a bit and let things digest.

ru4por 12-09-2020 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3667243)
That I totally frickin agree with you. You've been pretty active lately on this forum, sometimes it's good to slow down a bit and let things digest.

Well....my apologies then. Perhaps I am the butthurt one, after an earlier passive aggressive response to the same issue. :o

ChrisWoj 12-09-2020 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runningoz (Post 3667230)
I'll take this time to tell everyone to subscribe to his YouTube channel...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC40...RV4tYr5VSMl5Lg

Done! Thanks!!

brutalbrutus 12-09-2020 04:21 PM

https://www.pdga.com/news/they-said-...odie-smith-999

Quote:

People blow my mind. A year ago lots of of fellow disc golfers said it was all for show and he’s not any good and ragged on him nonstop. All he’s done is get more eyes on our sport that we all love, and work his butt off and become a good player. And people still hating. Get off your imaginary high horses people. Appreciate the hard work he’s put in. Dude went from a noob to legit pro in a year. I’m impressed. – Zach Melton

DiscFifty 12-09-2020 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3667245)
Well....my apologies then. Perhaps I am the butthurt one, after an earlier passive aggressive response to the same issue. :o

Certainly no need for an apology.. my stance on masks has been very clear. Wear the fkin things. I absolutely hate the hypocrisy from our leaders in both the entertainment (and sports) and political circles when it comes to these issues.

Jay Dub 12-09-2020 04:24 PM

People have negative comments/feelings about any public figure. Brodie doesn't get a pass on that.

His scores were posted on Facebook and the 2nd comment was "Why the Brodie hate"? That's ridiculous.

DiscFifty 12-09-2020 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3667247)

I have to admit, I would have jumped off the curiosity bus if his ratings weren't legitimately climbing the entire year. But at this point... and maybe some experts can weigh in on this, is it realistic to say the guy would be right there with the elites if he took the sport this serious 5-10 years ago?

ChrisWoj 12-09-2020 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3667247)

"Lots" - 1 out of every few hundred. The whole "everyone's hating on Brodie" thing has been overblown as ****. That's the one narrative that's come out of this that is truly stupid.

Emoney 12-09-2020 10:01 PM

Its just that he is so unlikeable and at the same time easy to be jealous of...

Plus, very outspoken about a sport he just started taking seriously..

It is the perfect recipe for haters and fanboys alike..

Its called entertainment.

Brodie...you are annoying AF BUT i wish i made bank off disc golf and had a model for a wife.

He wants all the smoke because that translates to views, which translates to ..pizza? Wait...idk...this post is too long

Jay Dub 12-09-2020 10:15 PM

There's not a pro out there that doesn't have what their fans consider "haters".

Emoney 12-09-2020 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3667408)
There's not a pro out there that doesn't have what their fans consider "haters".

Meek mill "there's levels to this sh@t"

Simon, i guarantee ,doesnt have the same polarization as brodie bro.

Some ppl are a lightening rod for this. Bro D is that rod ;)

robdeforge 12-10-2020 07:02 AM

In case people didn't watch his vlogmas video to see what the maskless disc golfers complaint really looked like, brodie was kind enough to post just that as a highlight on his twitter:
https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/st...88507918688265

biscoe 12-10-2020 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3667253)
But at this point... and maybe some experts can weigh in on this, is it realistic to say the guy would be right there with the elites if he took the sport this serious 5-10 years ago?

(Not an expert but have been around this stuff for a long time at this point)

IMO he would certainly be there with the second tier of players if not the "elites" (I am considering elites to mean maybe 5-10 guys). He has plenty of physical talent. Reaching the very top level requires a bit more than that though and there's no real way to ascertain whether someone has it outside of actual competition.

Cgkdisc 12-10-2020 07:45 AM

Cale Leiviska was a top athlete in high school (good genes, nephew of Paul Molitor) but didn't have much history with disc sports like Brodie. Cale started sanctioned play in MPO (no sanctioned amateur play). His rating progression starting in May 2004 is similar to Brodie's rating increase in a similar time frame. Cale has never dropped below 1000 after getting to 1002 in Dec 2005 using 50 rated rounds. (We only did rating updates every 2-3 months at that time.)
974 15-May-2004
972 15-Sep-2004
953 15-Dec-2004
968 15-Feb-2005
977 15-May-2005
988 15-Jul-2005
996 15-Sep-2005
1002 15-Dec-2005

jakebake91 12-10-2020 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cgkdisc (Post 3667493)
Cale Leiviska was a top athlete in high school (good genes, nephew of Paul Molitor) but didn't have much history with disc sports like Brodie. Cale started sanctioned play in MPO (no sanctioned amateur play). His rating progression starting in May 2004 is similar to Brodie's rating increase in a similar time frame. Cale has never dropped below 1000 after getting to 1002 in Dec 2005 using 50 rated rounds. (We only did rating updates every 2-3 months at that time.)
974 15-May-2004
972 15-Sep-2004
953 15-Dec-2004
968 15-Feb-2005
977 15-May-2005
988 15-Jul-2005
996 15-Sep-2005
1002 15-Dec-2005

It pains me to think about how many people are going to have to look up Paul Molitor to figure out who he even was.......

Also didn't know Cale was related. That's pretty neat!

ru4por 12-10-2020 08:39 AM

There are approximately 920 PDGA players rated 990 and above. I do believe, to achieve even a second tier status, more than a 1000 rating is needed. The top players have an ability to compete and a mental uniqueness, that gives a skill to do more than throw well, but to live in moment within competition. The vast majority of these 990 rated players are not touring pros, for various reasons. Many, despite being very good disc golfers, would not reach even second tier pros.

We have no idea if Brodie is any different. We are likely to find out in the next couple seasons, but currently he has failed to translate his skill into winning, or even really competing. He has a history of top level Ultimate competition and his disc golf journey is in its infancy, so we shall see.

Ryan P. 12-10-2020 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cgkdisc (Post 3667493)
Cale Leiviska was a top athlete in high school (good genes, nephew of Paul Molitor) but didn't have much history with disc sports like Brodie. Cale started sanctioned play in MPO (no sanctioned amateur play). His rating progression starting in May 2004 is similar to Brodie's rating increase in a similar time frame. Cale has never dropped below 1000 after getting to 1002 in Dec 2005 using 50 rated rounds. (We only did rating updates every 2-3 months at that time.)
974 15-May-2004
972 15-Sep-2004
953 15-Dec-2004
968 15-Feb-2005
977 15-May-2005
988 15-Jul-2005
996 15-Sep-2005
1002 15-Dec-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3667507)
There are approximately 920 PDGA players rated 990 and above. I do believe, to achieve even a second tier status, more than a 1000 rating is needed. The top players have an ability to compete and a mental uniqueness, that gives a skill to do more than throw well, but to live in moment within competition. The vast majority of these 990 rated players are not touring pros, for various reasons. Many, despite being very good disc golfers, would not reach even second tier pros.

We have no idea if Brodie is any different. We are likely to find out in the next couple seasons, but currently he has failed to translate his skill into winning, or even really competing. He has a history of top level Ultimate competition and his disc golf journey is in its infancy, so we shall see.

ru4por, I understood Cgkdisc's comments very differently. I understood him to be saying "Cale had a similar case to Brodie thus far in that both ascended to 1000ish rated very quickly after picking up the sport." The implication being that Cale has maintained a top 20 rating for around a decade now, and Brodie might do the same. You're totally right that 1000 rated isn't second tier; I'd argue that it might not even be a third tier.

Also, can you clarify why you're hesitant to ascribe to him the ability to win? I definitely see his mental ability to win from his ultimate days (if you haven't watched him play ultimate you should, especially in an elimination game). He also has the work ethic, and clearly has the disc ability. I'm not saying he will definitely win, but the ability seems to be there. Thoughts?

Cgkdisc 12-10-2020 11:19 AM

With regard to potential longevity, Cale was 22 in 2005. Brodie will have fewer peak physical years but better equipment and training to get to 1030+ like Cale, now age 37.

Nick Pacific 12-10-2020 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cgkdisc (Post 3667493)
Cale Leiviska was a top athlete in high school (good genes, nephew of Paul Molitor) but didn't have much history with disc sports like Brodie. Cale started sanctioned play in MPO (no sanctioned amateur play). His rating progression starting in May 2004 is similar to Brodie's rating increase in a similar time frame. Cale has never dropped below 1000 after getting to 1002 in Dec 2005 using 50 rated rounds. (We only did rating updates every 2-3 months at that time.)
974 15-May-2004
972 15-Sep-2004
953 15-Dec-2004
968 15-Feb-2005
977 15-May-2005
988 15-Jul-2005
996 15-Sep-2005
1002 15-Dec-2005

Cale was like 20 years old in 2004 and had healthy knees, well hell healthy everything and could play all day long every day. What Brodie did at age 32 and two bad knees to me is MUCH more impressive.

Cgkdisc 12-10-2020 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3667575)
Cale was like 20 years old in 2004 and had healthy knees, well hell healthy everything and could play all day long every day. What Brodie did at age 32 and two bad knees to me is MUCH more impressive.

My point was just providing an example where a high-level athlete has done what Brodie has done so far, not necessarily whose achievements were more impressive.

ru4por 12-10-2020 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3667561)
ru4por, I understood Cgkdisc's comments very differently. I understood him to be saying "Cale had a similar case to Brodie thus far in that both ascended to 1000ish rated very quickly after picking up the sport." The implication being that Cale has maintained a top 20 rating for around a decade now, and Brodie might do the same. You're totally right that 1000 rated isn't second tier; I'd argue that it might not even be a third tier.

Also, can you clarify why you're hesitant to ascribe to him the ability to win? I definitely see his mental ability to win from his ultimate days (if you haven't watched him play ultimate you should, especially in an elimination game). He also has the work ethic, and clearly has the disc ability. I'm not saying he will definitely win, but the ability seems to be there. Thoughts?

I agree with you, Ryan. I don't ascribe him the ability to win in disc golf, because he has had no success doing so, within top pro competitions. I have seen a lot of him playing Ultimate, I am a pretty big fan of the game. Given he is hyper competitive, has some terrific frisbee skills and a history of dedication to athletic endevours, I think he is in a good spot to succeed. Though, I think age and his knees could be impediments. I also think the focus needed to succeed in disc golf, is different from that needed in adrenaline fueled games, like Ultimate could be.

My point was, I don't know. We will see. Despite my extreme disappointment with his blatant disregard for COVID, in his videos, I hope he does well.

robdeforge 12-11-2020 08:26 AM

"People want to know where the masks are... interesting"


https://i.imgur.com/d4WvmvQ.png

Jugular 12-11-2020 09:59 AM

Crokinole is a fabulous game.

Nick Pacific 12-11-2020 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3667589)
I agree with you, Ryan. I don't ascribe him the ability to win in disc golf, because he has had no success doing so, within top pro competitions. .

I agree, but why have championships, or even a majors, as his barometer for his success? I'd say his first year in has been an overwhelming success given everything that went on with Covid and him catching Lyme, and through all that he's about to hit 1000, won a B tier, placed well at an A tier and has improved dramatically.

Will he ever win worlds? No way, I just don't see that happening. It's getting crazy competitive at the top and I think those two bad knees are eventually going to slow him down.

But he could spend the next decade as a 1025 rated ultra successful brand ambassador social media star and one of the best disc golfers in Texas. You combine all that with his previous Ultimate resume and he could eventually go down as one of the top flying disc athletes of all time when his career is over.

Superbford 12-11-2020 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3667986)
I agree, but why have championships, or even a majors, as his barometer for his success? I'd say his first year in has been an overwhelming success given everything that went on with Covid and him catching Lyme, and through all that he's about to hit 1000, won a B tier, placed well at an A tier and has improved dramatically.

Will he ever win worlds? No way, I just don't see that happening. It's getting crazy competitive at the top and I think those two bad knees are eventually going to slow him down.

But he could spend the next decade as a 1025 rated ultra successful brand ambassador social media star and one of the best disc golfers in Texas. You combine all that with his previous Ultimate resume and he could eventually go down as one of the top flying disc athletes of all time when his career is over.

...and make a lot of money doing it... good for him if it all works out. He's doing all right in life.

McCready 12-11-2020 01:50 PM

Iíve been unhappy with my Cryztal FLX Zone lately and didnít feel like buying a new one...
https://i.imgur.com/omTOaH5_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium
Ahh, much better.

ray1970 12-11-2020 02:36 PM

I donít know. My Zones can do some pretty freaky things sometimes. I think I would have wiped that silly flying horse.

McCready 12-11-2020 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray1970 (Post 3668034)
I donít know. My Zones can do some pretty freaky things sometimes. I think I would have wiped that silly flying horse.

Dammit, I thought that was an owl. I may have to wipe the whole thing.

discerdoo 12-11-2020 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCready (Post 3668100)
Dammit, I thought that was an owl. I may have to wipe the whole thing.

That'll show him!

DiscFifty 12-12-2020 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3667986)
But he could spend the next decade as a 1025 rated ultra successful brand ambassador social media star and one of the best disc golfers in Texas. You combine all that with his previous Ultimate resume and he could eventually go down as one of the top flying disc athletes of all time when his career is over.

If he sticks with it, Pro Masters may turn out to be his best chance for big wins, Worlds, etc, as skill levels start to even out as his skill peaks and others plateau.

I doubted his long term commitment in my op, and that's still what interests me the most about him, just how long does he stick with disc golf? I'm also not convinced he's making a killing financially from disc sales and youtube views. A typical video of his now days seems to be taking a few months to get over 200k views, that's not good when you have over 2 millions subs, that tells me the majority of his subs are not interested in his disc golf journey. If my job was mainly to be a content provider, that would concern me greatly.

Nick Pacific 12-12-2020 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3668255)
If he sticks with it, Pro Masters may turn out to be his best chance for big wins, Worlds, etc, as skill levels start to even out as his skill peaks and others plateau.

I doubted his long term commitment in my op, and that's still what interests me the most about him, just how long does he stick with disc golf? I'm also not convinced he's making a killing financially from disc sales and youtube views. A typical video of his now days seems to be taking a few months to get over 200k views, that's not good when you have over 2 millions subs, that tells me the majority of his subs are not interested in his disc golf journey. If my job was mainly to be a content provider, that would concern me greatly.

Right, if he sticks with it, absolutely. We shall see how it plays out. I don't see where else he goes though. As far as what he makes, I'm sure he's doing fine. Texas has no state taxes and is really affordable to live in, companies are moving there from the blue coasts, he's sitting well regardless. He's got Foundation (I wonder if it is incorporated in Texas? Smart if it is. Maybe that was one of the reasons to get Brodie on board? Hmmm....;))

DiscJunkie 12-12-2020 11:47 AM

When I walk into my local PIAS and see a couple dozen Freaky Zones on the shelf, I knew that Brodie is doing OK with Disc Golf.

If he gets a few bucks ($4-5) per disc and there's 20+ of them at my local PIAS...that's a lotta moolah across the country.
At this point, I doubt the videos are his main income stream.
They are his way to keep his name out there and promote his merch and signature discs.

DiscFifty 12-13-2020 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscJunkie (Post 3668349)
If he gets a few bucks ($4-5) per disc

That seems high per disc. For just sales from DC's website I could see that. Wonder if he gets a similar deal for dealer sales, is there enough profit to go around?

Moose33 12-13-2020 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3668723)
That seems high per disc. For just sales from DC's website I could see that. Wonder if he gets a similar deal for dealer sales, is there enough profit to go around?

On the site that looks about right. I would imagine that to dealers itís lower, but the volume is pretty high. Plus he is likely making a cut on everything of his they sell to foundation, and then making another cut on everything they sell on site.

brutalbrutus 12-13-2020 08:12 PM

I wonder how many of his starter packs they sold?

Hampstead 12-13-2020 11:41 PM

Should I sell or throw my Get Freaky Zone? I could use a vacation.



(sarcasm, Jay Dub)


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:52 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.