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Titan037 01-19-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JuanA (Post 3538273)
Has he announced his Grip sponsorship yet?

Iím sure itís coming once he starts traveling.

wolfmandragon 01-19-2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by davetherocketguy (Post 3538192)
Never? Ehhh I'm not so sure about that. Based on some comments I've been seeing on FB it kind of sounds like there might be some rather bitter pros out there who are jealous of him being able to jump right into a sponsorship before even throwing his first tourney. Kind of a, "I've worked hard for years to get where I am and he just shows up with a deal right away?" I'd be willing to bet he gets stroked more often than not.

Hey, this could be a great thing! If pros are motivated to call foot faults by hate, that's still good. Perhaps it will even flow down to players that are currently using the lack of enforcement to cheat.

Yes, I said cheat.

Jay Dub 01-19-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3538284)
Hey, this could be a great thing! If pros are motivated to call foot faults by hate, that's still good. Perhaps it will even flow down to players that are currently using the lack of enforcement to cheat.

Yes, I said cheat.

That's what it is. Pro disc golfers cheat all the time, call them out on it and there are too many who have the "you rules nazi" attitude. Then those same people turn around and wonder why the sport gets no respect thru a major sponsor and/or media. :wall:

brutalbrutus 01-19-2020 04:16 PM

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Never? Kind of a, "I've worked hard for years to get where I am and he just shows up with a deal right away?"

He's had to work for years to build his brand, which is why he is able to get a deal so soon... and will have to work hard to earn his next deal. Seems to me that these "offended" pros need to learn the old adage, A rising tide lifts all boats.

IMO, they should be doing everything they can outside of competition to help him succeed because it can only help all the players in the long run to have him be successful. It's not surprising that two of DGs more media savvy business people(Paul and Simon) are helping him...

DanJon 01-19-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nova P (Post 3537806)
Rich gettin' richer.

It's like how he casually mentioned all the time he's been spending working out on a Peloton to Terry, and Terry's like "yeah, do I look like someone who uses a Peloton?"

And I'm watching, thinking "this dude can afford a $3000 subscription-plan stationary bicycle and I'm editing video on a nine-year-old laptop and eating store-brand cereal."

edit: and driving to tourneys in a 25-year-old pickup with no A/C



He's self made and got there by throwing frisbees.

Why are you so upset about it?

BryanC 01-19-2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3538202)
In fact I'm willing to bet a disc he won't be rated 1000 this year at any time.

I'm your huckleberry. How do we define a disc for the bet? A brand new, premium plastic disc of the winner's choice shipped to the winner's location? Or just any disc?

Jay Dub 01-19-2020 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanC (Post 3538379)
I'm your huckleberry. How do we define a disc for the bet? A brand new, premium plastic disc of the winner's choice shipped to the winner's location? Or just any disc?

New premium or new-old classic DX. Maybe we provide 3 discs each for the other to choose from. Winner gets choice of 1 of the 3

Or just agree on one disc for each to offer up.

Value will have to be equal.

I would want a Roc or Teebird or Valkyrie or Leopard or old Ching Aviar.

BryanC 01-19-2020 10:07 PM

OK. I don't have or know where to get any Ching Aviars, but I'm sure I have or can obtain some of the discs on your list.

If his PDGA rating reaches 1000 at any time this year, I win. If not you win. To be clear, we are talking about his actual rating, as published by the PDGA, averaged out however the PDGA does that for tournament players. A single 1000+ round does not give me the win. He needs to have a published PDGA rating of 1000 for me to take it.

Game on!

Nova P 01-19-2020 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DanJon (Post 3538369)
He's self made and got there by throwing frisbees.

Why are you so upset about it?

I'm not.

DoWork 01-19-2020 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3538186)
I donít understand how overprotective some seem over this guy playing- Brodie isnít your daughter and heís not trying to bang her. Get over yourselves. All this ďhe will succeedĒ when here we are 20+ pages deep and he hasnít even teed off yet lol. News flash: heís already losing just because his fanbois canít seem to stop talking about him lol... Itís funny to watch.

See how that works both ways? ;)



Foot fault

DoWork 01-19-2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3538202)
They have a good point. You could be correct but I doubt we ever see it because I am not convinced he will be a 1000 rated player. I don't care who his coaches are this week.

In fact I'm willing to bet a disc he won't be rated 1000 this year at any time.


Bahahaha really going out in a limb there guy! 1000 rated in the first year is the floor of your measure of success? Brutal!

Norvelljeff 01-20-2020 02:48 AM

He won't be around the sport in 5 years. Not trying to hate, but he clearly said he wants to see how good he can get, which doesn't really project longevity to me. He has a tweet from Dec 28 that says, "i'm seriously debating seeing how good I can get" which is weird.

I see nothing about what he has done in his career endeavors thus far that says he will actually stick around for more than a couple of years either. He seems like a dude that is genuine but ultimately gets bored and moves on. I wish him the best and all but from what I can see the dude will probably max out under 1000 rated before moving onto something else or bowing out due to injury. Who knows, maybe he devotes his entire life to disc golf for the next decade and beats Paul. Doubtful though.

brutalbrutus 01-20-2020 03:51 AM

In 5 yrs he will be 38 and on the downswing of his athletic prowess anyway...

Stable 01-20-2020 08:24 AM

I think it's cool that a handful of pros are reaching out to give him some pointers. I've always found that open level players aren't so eager to let out their secrets. Could be just be me.

Jugular 01-20-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stable (Post 3538501)
I think it's cool that a handful of pros are reaching out to give him some pointers. I've always found that open level players aren't so eager to let out their secrets. Could be just be me.

I'm hoping he's filming some of his training and going to let us all see what advice top pros give to a gifted beginner. Also it would be great if he's filming his form regularly to show development. There's definitely scope to see a well recorded montage of improvement from someone who is very likely to have the time and athleticism to put the advice into practice.

DiscFifty 01-20-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanC (Post 3538434)
OK. I don't have or know where to get any Ching Aviars, but I'm sure I have or can obtain some of the discs on your list.

If his PDGA rating reaches 1000 at any time this year, I win. If not you win. To be clear, we are talking about his actual rating, as published by the PDGA, averaged out however the PDGA does that for tournament players. A single 1000+ round does not give me the win. He needs to have a published PDGA rating of 1000 for me to take it.

Game on!

If he plays well, it would only take 1 round to get a 1000 rating. lol.. :P

https://www.pdga.com/faq/ratings/mininum-rounds

Titan037 01-20-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3538504)
I'm hoping he's filming some of his training and going to let us all see what advice top pros give to a gifted beginner. Also it would be great if he's filming his form regularly to show development. There's definitely scope to see a well recorded montage of improvement from someone who is very likely to have the time and athleticism to put the advice into practice.

It’s not detailed but his Instagram gave me a glimpse of that from when he started his field work up until the point Emerson handed him a driver to throw, it was only a few throws he posted in that 2 week period but the progress he made in that short amount of time was pretty crazy. He also posted himself throwing a proto type driver in the indoor discraft field. The disc hit the wall but the momentum on it was ridiculous.

DiscFifty 01-20-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Norvelljeff (Post 3538485)
He won't be around the sport in 5 years.

I think it's more like "I'm 32 wtf am I going to be doing in my 40s, 50s?" His youtube career is dwindling down, a long standing career in disc golf (playing, media, manufacturing) makes sense imop. Obviously his 2 million subscribers bought him a ticket to the front of the disc golf line, it will be interesting to see how long he stays there.

DiscFifty 01-20-2020 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stable (Post 3538501)
I think it's cool that a handful of pros are reaching out to give him some pointers. I've always found that open level players aren't so eager to let out their secrets. Could be just be me.

Wouldn't surprise me if Paul & Simon are getting paid (or just part of the job) to interact with Brodie.

Jay Dub 01-20-2020 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3538505)
If he plays well, it would only take 1 round to get a 1000 rating. lol.. :P

https://www.pdga.com/faq/ratings/mininum-rounds

That'll never happen either.

Chains Bailey 01-20-2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stable (Post 3538501)
I think it's cool that a handful of pros are reaching out to give him some pointers. I've always found that open level players aren't so eager to let out their secrets. Could be just be me.

From the other Bro' thread...

My bold prediction:

Paul and Simon are not training Bro'Smith out of the goodness of their hearts. They want part of the Bro'Smith fame. They are going to start a YouTube channel themselves - My guess is just the 3 of them - Vlog / Trick Shots / Tour Life...

PMcBeth = best disc golfer on planet + brings viewers to watch him make cookies.
Simon = great disc golfer, loveable personality, Vlog is killing it + made cookies.
Bro'Smith = 2 million viewers that would watch him take a dump if posted + could make cookies.

Now consider if they put all their power rings together...


NOTE: I am enjoying all of this way too much.

DiscFifty 01-21-2020 07:37 AM

^^^ Nope. It's all fun and games in the off season. Once the tour gets going, things will be all business for Paul. Simon.. never really sure where he ends up season to season. lol..

Jugular 01-21-2020 09:12 AM

I think there's a good chance they will start creating content together more often throughout the season. The joining of their skills does make for compelling viewing possibilities. It probably depends if they can gel better on screen than the last video they did together. There is also the possibility that there will be very few lead cards without at least one of them on it which further improves the potential for their brand as a 'group'.

It's in Simon and Paul's interest to have Brodie's fans see their work and bring good content ideas, it's in Brodie's interest to have their weight with the current DG audience, skills for high quality work, knowledge and advice for his own development. They've got the connections and the know-how, Brodie has the ideas, the audience and the monetization.

BuiltTooLong 01-21-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Casey 1988 (Post 3537836)
I wonder if it is entirely possible that the fans of just Brodie Smith are going to revolt every time he is playing an event but not on camera?

Yes for sure, but it's even more likely that people will get upset his card is being covered over their favorite pro for the first round of an event.

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Originally Posted by davetherocketguy (Post 3538192)
Never? Ehhh I'm not so sure about that. Based on some comments I've been seeing on FB it kind of sounds like there might be some rather bitter pros out there who are jealous of him being able to jump right into a sponsorship before even throwing his first tourney. Kind of a, "I've worked hard for years to get where I am and he just shows up with a deal right away?" I'd be willing to bet he gets stroked more often than not.

Jordan Castro is just waiting to call him for a penalty. I can feel it.

Dcinmd 01-21-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3538511)
Wouldn't surprise me if Paul & Simon are getting paid (or just part of the job) to interact with Brodie.

Who is paying them? It certainly isn't Discraft.

JuanA 01-21-2020 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BuiltTooLong (Post 3538929)
Yes for sure, but it's even more likely that people will get upset his card is being covered over their favorite pro for the first round of an event.
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I'd be willing to bet he has his own camera following his card. There's no way he's not going to record any of this.

The question is which will get more views...Lead card or Bro card?

Rayph1n 01-21-2020 06:55 PM

In case anyone wants to know, Reddit is having an ama tomorrow with Brodie. https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/

brutalbrutus 01-21-2020 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BuiltTooLong (Post 3538929)
Yes for sure, but it's even more likely that people will get upset his card is being covered over their favorite pro for the first round of an event.

That happens with nearly every first round card anyway. I would think he'll get a few "sponsor pick" lead cards at DC events... but I wouldn't think it would be early in the season, unless he just comes out of the gate firing 980+ rounds. Memorial is a DC event but probably not the type of courses you would want to highlight your nooby guy on... 10+ OBs later...:D

cheesethin 01-21-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey 1988 (Post 3538149)
... At least that seems like a violation stepping over the lie before the disc is finished in flight...

Not a violation either. Within 10m the player must demonstrate balance before advancing past the marker. That's all. Doesn't matter what the disc is doing.

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Originally Posted by Casey 1988 (Post 3538149)
90% of the other top players tend to stay behind the disc as it is moving...

Just coincidence - by the time a player has demonstrated balance, most putts will have come to rest anyway.



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Stable 01-21-2020 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3538743)
From the other Bro' thread...

My bold prediction:

Paul and Simon are not training Bro'Smith out of the goodness of their hearts. They want part of the Bro'Smith fame. They are going to start a YouTube channel themselves - My guess is just the 3 of them - Vlog / Trick Shots / Tour Life...

PMcBeth = best disc golfer on planet + brings viewers to watch him make cookies.
Simon = great disc golfer, loveable personality, Vlog is killing it + made cookies.
Bro'Smith = 2 million viewers that would watch him take a dump if posted + could make cookies.

Now consider if they put all their power rings together...


NOTE: I am enjoying all of this way too much.

I can't believe I watched that video of Simon & Paul making cookies. I'm disgusted with myself that I sat through the whole thing.

Casey 1988 01-21-2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcinmd (Post 3539038)
Who is paying them? It certainly isn't Discraft.

Possibly on the part of Brodie's contract is my thought have him get payed or have it in his contract to get training from top level in rating players to help with his game in order to have the lowest full time touring level sponsorship that could have him safe with enough money to keep touring even on the cheep end if he never cashes.

brutalbrutus 01-22-2020 12:59 AM

Simon isn't going to be involved in any part of a contract that Brodie signed with Discraft.

Jugular 01-22-2020 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3539274)
Simon isn't going to be involved in any part of a contract that Brodie signed with Discraft.

Brodie may have agreed a fee with them as individuals, or, just for now, enjoying each others company and appetite for the game with a view to perhaps forming something more formal between themselves later if they gel.

It was interesting that DC and DM were happy for Paul and Simon to swap discs for a round so it seems likely both brands are encouraging their collaborations.

Titan037 01-22-2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3539279)
Brodie may have agreed a fee with them as individuals, or, just for now, enjoying each others company and appetite for the game with a view to perhaps forming something more formal between themselves later if they gel.

It was interesting that DC and DM were happy for Paul and Simon to swap discs for a round so it seems likely both brands are encouraging their collaborations.

Because they both realize manufacturers need to work together to grow the sport, what better way than a collaboration between the disc golf trick shot guru and the world champ. Adding Brodie in the mix takes that even further. Look at the views their first trick shot video a couple months ago

wolfmandragon 01-22-2020 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3539279)
Brodie may have agreed a fee with them as individuals, or, just for now, enjoying each others company and appetite for the game with a view to perhaps forming something more formal between themselves later if they gel.

It was interesting that DC and DM were happy for Paul and Simon to swap discs for a round so it seems likely both brands are encouraging their collaborations.

Hmmm... anhyzer topped Forces. Tasty.

Why not start some unfounded rumors. ;)

JuanA 01-22-2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Casey 1988 (Post 3539251)
Possibly on the part of Brodie's contract is my thought have him get payed or have it in his contract to get training from top level in rating players to help with his game in order to have the lowest full time touring level sponsorship that could have him safe with enough money to keep touring even on the cheep end if he never cashes.

You kind of lost me on this one.

Are you saying he either gets paid money, or instead is trained by top players? That's a bizarre contract.

DiscFifty 01-22-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3538743)
They are going to start a YouTube channel themselves - My guess is just the 3 of them - Vlog / Trick Shots / Tour Life...

Imop..highly unlikely...due to Simon and Paul's position with their companies/contract is more like a job/boss so they would have to break out of that before they could do anything on their own. Now maybe....Paul & Brodie could do something, but it would ultimately just be a vlog series posted on the DC channel.

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Originally Posted by Dcinmd (Post 3539038)
Who is paying them? It certainly isn't Discraft.

Guessing their salary/contract has some social media requirements, and I'm sure behind the scenes everything disc golf related has to be approved.

DiscFifty 01-22-2020 10:19 AM

Brodie is used to the "revenue stream" concept. I doubt his contract includes a salary like Paul or Simon has. I would think Discraft gave him an all you can eat plastic deal, tour stamp disc deal, and a sliding bonus scale based on his performance in actual tournaments. I could also see some kind of long term paid/job media position with the company being hammered out. He has value in both Ultimate and Discgolf.

juju 01-22-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stable (Post 3538501)
I think it's cool that a handful of pros are reaching out to give him some pointers. I've always found that open level players aren't so eager to let out their secrets. Could be just be me.

They know he has no chance of competing at their level, currently.

davetherocketguy 01-22-2020 01:06 PM

Or maybe Paul and Simon are trying to better their brand and following from someone who already has a fantastic following and returning the favor by giving Brodie some DG pointers. Seems like a mutually beneficial relationship to me.


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