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RoDeO 10-06-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3640684)
The hip rotation IS the shifting of weight to the front leg.

Edit: on full throws, not up shots

The hip rotation works in conjunction with the weight shift. I can shift side to side and get absolutely no hip rotation. The hips can rotate one of two ways- they can be dragged through and turned by strong arming or they can be initiated by the legs just before front foot plant which also triggers torso and shoulder rotation which whips the disc through via the arm lever.

sidewinder22 10-06-2020 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640704)
I can shift side to side and get absolutely no hip rotation.

This is physically impossible, especially if you land toe to heel, or make a backswing.

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640704)
The hips can rotate one of two ways- they can be dragged through and turned by strong arming or they can be initiated by the legs just before front foot plant which also triggers torso and shoulder rotation which whips the disc through via the arm lever.

Or you can remain planted and rotate them on One Leg with the arm following along for the ride.

Strong Arming on One Leg will get you maybe 50'.

RoDeO 10-07-2020 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3640767)
This is physically impossible, especially if you land toe to heel, or make a backswing.


Or you can remain planted and rotate them on One Leg with the arm following along for the ride.

Strong Arming on One Leg will get you maybe 50'.

I just videoed myself and just practiced backswing and pull through with no rotation emphasis and guess what? Absolutely no hip rotation. So, yes, it is possible
I can show you the video if you want.
The problem with standing solely on the front leg and trying to throw from it is that you end up using your momentum of the arm and disc to rotate from the top down which drags the hips through last. That is what happens when you strong arm.
I look at players like Paige Pierce who, because of their small frame, must use legs and hips to generate power. This video is one of my favorites because it shows very clearly how and when her hips begin to rotate. Watch precisely at the 1:05 mark. At this moment her hips begin to rotate but you can tell that her weight hasn't fully come into brace yet because the hip isn't rising upwards just yet. As brace happens and her hip comes up the rotation continues on up in that kinetic chain. She's literally unwinding from her legs upwards into her shoulders. The key here is that the hips begin to rotate during the weight transition from rear to front leg. We know the brace moment because the front hip comes upwards as her weight comes forward into the brace.

https://youtu.be/Nf39x7vDbAg

RandyC 10-07-2020 01:45 AM

So... Last time I posted this your analysis was that this is strong arming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JyR...ature=youtu.be

Please watch it again and where your focus should be is my front knee, front hip and rear leg countering the swing. You can also take note how the leg "pumps/whips" my lower arm open. and IF I was strong arming I would never get to that finish position due to muscle tension preventing me swinging fluidly thru.

sidewinder22 10-07-2020 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640775)
I just videoed myself and just practiced backswing and pull through with no rotation emphasis and guess what? Absolutely no hip rotation. So, yes, it is possible
I can show you the video if you want.
The problem with standing solely on the front leg and trying to throw from it is that you end up using your momentum of the arm and disc to rotate from the top down which drags the hips through last. That is what happens when you strong arm.

This is not true. Put some accelerometers on and then show me the real data instead of your perception.

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640775)
As brace happens and her hip comes up the rotation continues on up in that kinetic chain. She's literally unwinding from her legs upwards into her shoulders. The key here is that the hips begin to rotate during the weight transition from rear to front leg. We know the brace moment because the front hip comes upwards as her weight comes forward into the brace.

Almost sounds like Feldberg's Hip to Sky Drill that you say is terrible. Looks like his hips rotated making that lateral shift just like Paige.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1602058803
https://media.giphy.com/media/iIeo5E...tK15/giphy.gif

RoDeO 10-07-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3640793)
So... Last time I posted this your analysis was that this is strong arming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JyR...ature=youtu.be

Please watch it again and where your focus should be is my front knee, front hip and rear leg countering the swing. You can also take note how the leg "pumps/whips" my lower arm open. and IF I was strong arming I would never get to that finish position due to muscle tension preventing me swinging fluidly thru.

Yeah, it's strong arming. Your shoulders are ahead of your hips in rotation. Strongarming at its finest.

ru4por 10-07-2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640448)
Not sure what you mean by the noob trap. I don't see myself in a trap. I feel like the number 1 thing right now for more distance in myself is conditioning muscles to fire better and faster. The mechanic tweaks will add a little bit more. Understanding how the disc is propelled is 90% of the mystery. I feel I know that. Now, getting consistency and building upon that foundation is all that's left.

The noob trap is not understanding the quest. Learning how to throw, with both distance and accuracy, and then translating what you learn into competition, is a journey. One that has changes. One that will provide you with a multitude of discoveries....some helpful, some setbacks, most just plateaus to be used as building blocks. Noobs embrace a discovery and fail to understand the importance of the foundation and it generally stalls their progress. Many of us have really felt we figured it out.

"A smart man makes a mistake, learns from it, and never makes that mistake again.But a wise man finds a smart man and learns from him how to avoid the mistake altogether."

Roy H. Williams

SaROCaM 10-07-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640448)
Understanding how the disc is propelled is 90% of the mystery. I feel I know that.

The feel ain't real.

If you don't understand how Feldberg's advice fits in, you have an incomplete understanding.

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640448)
Not sure what you mean by the noob trap. I don't see myself in a trap.

That's the thing about traps...if you don't heed the warnings you won't realize you are in one until it's too late.

azplaya25 10-07-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3640793)
So... Last time I posted this your analysis was that this is strong arming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JyR...ature=youtu.be

Please watch it again and where your focus should be is my front knee, front hip and rear leg countering the swing. You can also take note how the leg "pumps/whips" my lower arm open. and IF I was strong arming I would never get to that finish position due to muscle tension preventing me swinging fluidly thru.

This is so solid ...hope you donít mind but I slowed this down and made it into a gif. Really been working on feeling the slingshot/trebuchet from the one leg and you execute it perfectly.

https://imgflip.com/gif/4hnk0x

RoDeO 10-07-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3640809)
This is not true. Put some accelerometers on and then show me the real data instead of your perception.


Almost sounds like Feldberg's Hip to Sky Drill that you say is terrible. Looks like his hips rotated making that lateral shift just like Paige.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1602058803
https://media.giphy.com/media/iIeo5E...tK15/giphy.gif

That's a good drill Paige is doing but that's just laterally shifting back and forth. It's not what actually happens when she throws. As she shifts laterally her hips are already rotating. The lead hip coming up signifies strong brace or full weight shift. If we freeze it precisely at that moment her hips are already substantially open thus proving that shift into strong brace isnt what initiates hip rotation.
https://youtu.be/ZG3YXTE2Dx0


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