Exactly what I am imagining. Basically, a fast FD.

A 10 speed Essence with 3 fade is what I want!

You must be one of those sadomasochists.

Started a post to find an alternative to my GM gremlin as my stash is running low.

Receiving many suggestions, but the obvious question and to save me the trouble of replacing a staple in my bag for more than 20 years....

What are chances of producing the GM again?

(Hopefully soon, I'm 60 and skills are diminishing fast.)

I’d say slim to none. You can find them reasonably priced for an out of production disc ($20-35) on some of the Facebook groups if you ask around. Ill take a look and see if I have one kicking around.

I highly doubt the GM will be produced again. I would look into mind benders, midnight prowl 2s, or possibly a base plastic method if you want to stick to DM.

Dont give Mr Innova any ideas lol

They recently did a survey asking for input on a subscription service, perhaps that’s what Stratosphere is?

Hard to say. I did do their survey. Hopefully they take a hint and maybe focus a little more on stock runs of discs.

I ordered 2 MPIIs online and they arrived today.

I know it's early in the release (all of 1 day) but has anyone had a chance to throw a MPII?

It's full winter here in Calgary (-15C today and a bunch of snow (although it will be +2 to +4 over the next few days) so I won't be throwing these until spring (I'm in winter bag mode which is GStar and K1 Soft stuff) but I'm curious about the flight.

More HSS than a regular Origin?
Usually the Meta type plastic results in a "more stable" version of a mold.

I’ve only watched videos of MPII, and they seem slightly less stable than NEO origins (that I do throw). The breast cancer metal flake FD is also slightly less stable than C-lineFD, so it probably … depends…

Cant remember what a Neo Origin was like for me, but first throw with MP2 pretty much put it into the bag for me. 85% snap and goes dead straight, doesnt want to meet the ground at all with that glide, miniscule little fade at the end. Anhyzer stays on that angle forever. Real nice point and shoot type disc.

Very nice! The glide on Origins is pretty ridiculous, for sure. They feel like ‘cheater’ discs with low power throws. Real good to hear this Midnight Prowl 2 run is solid.

I can second the fact that the MP2 is insanely glidey. First few throws with them went 30-40' further than I was intending. Throwing them like a putter is a trip. Powered up they have gentle turn. Easy hyzer flip. Holds a turn forever. They are quite finnicky in medium to high wind though. Where my mindbender would turn slightly more the MP2 would turn and burn. I never really clicked with the origin but these MP2 are going to have me messing with them all winter long.

Does anybody switch putters or putter plastic when winter rolls in? Been putting with standard flex 2 P2s and was thinking about trying the flex 1s for extra grip in the cold. Or maybe even rainmakers?

Nope. I like firm putters. Been waiting forever for flex3 P2s (or P1s?) I didn’t want to go all in with creator series Rainmakers, which are Flex3.

Yeah. Extra soft Exo Links freeze up to the perfect feeling putter in sub zero conditions.

It's definitely worth trying and seeing how it works for you, especially if you have a spin type putt. I usually use the same mold in softer plastic as a thrower, and I'll find myself using that disc on putts more frequently during the wintertime. That's coming from someone who lives in a place where 50-60 degrees Fahrenheit is "cold".

On a related note, I think the flex 2 P1s have better grip than the plastic that was used on the first stock run of the Swedish P2. Similarly, the more recent Swedish P2s appear to have more grip as well, so you might try a P1 or a new P2 for some added grip with the same level of stiffness.

I have found the metal flake FD to be slightly more stable than the C-Line.
Not contradicting you, just another data point.

What are you hoping comes out of the mystery boxes? I'd love to see a premium logic and the new distance driver to be a bit more slower arm friendly than the dd3.

Yes- something in the CD and TD family! Otherwise, the only thing I really want is stock Flex3 P2/P1 putters and stock S-line everything.

Also, HD profile pics of every disc on the website!

profile pics would be great.

I appreciate how MVP has something like design drawings of how the disc is supposed to look. Easy to compare if the specific disc will have a higher or lower wing or dome than designed (due to cooling and manufacturing, etc.). Easy to spot a flippy or super overstable run.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1669231558

This is definitely the way to go; much easier to see the shape of the wing.

I’ve heard they’re working on a CD2, but I’d like to see something like the PD/CD/TD line-up in S-Line but especially in something like LUX. That is a softer plastic line with a stepped-down stability like the old PD/CD/TD grouping.

Have you ever thrown a lux link? Been pondering on that purchase.

I have not.
While I love the feel of LUX plastic, I don’t like the depth of the Link.

So, looks like the new DD1 is pretty much an orbit Grace. Also, their video was difficult to watch. I like B movies but this thing was cheesy.

Excited for the new disc, but underwhelmed by the delivery.

I think the DD1 could be interesting. I already have a bunch of Wraiths in boxes that I don’t throw. I could be tempted to try one of these in a stock run, but not enough to spend the money on a mystery box and discs I don’t need or probably want.

That overproduction is the sign you made too much money Discmania, haha… I’ll bite on the DD1 in spite of your efforts. You know, since it’s Christmas and it’ll go under the budget radar…

I wonder if it’s exactly the same as the grace or a new mold

Given that Echo DD3s or any other noticeably more understable versions of the DD3 sell like hotcakes, the new DD1 should be an instant bestseller.

I am 99.9% sure they are doing their own thing, both plastic wise and mold wise. People are so quick to say Discmania Originals x = Lat64 Y

What ever happened to the Discmania dude that posted on here? It's been awhile. It's kinda like the Heresay Discmania thread now, no?

He stopped posting after Jussi said he would step away from the limelight after his sex scandal. I'm speculating that Discmania_support was actually Jussi

The plastic itself is definitely lat64

Supreme / royal grand / special blend s-line is the same.

The special blend S-Line of the Cloudbreaker 3 is different from the Nordic Phenom / Grand. I don’t remember where, but I heard the L64 new machines take new molds and that’s what the new discs (Royal line and rerelease Escape) take entirely new molds. (Like they can’t take a Defender mold from an old machine and use it on a new machine.) When DM said all the new creator series will now be entirely separate molds, it makes me think they bought some of these new machines too. On the other machines they used their own blend for Cloudbreaker3?

Begin speculating with little evidence:
Discmania said they bought their own machines (presumably true), and they bought the exact same machines as L64. It seems to me like it took them a while to get new C-line Originals pumping out? It’s possible they were set on entirely different plastics … until the practicality of knowing L64 already worked out some nice blends was too tempting? Grand being among the best feeling new plastics… business sense took over?

Alternate theory: Jussi demanded completely new plastics. With him out, Discmania (or parent company, wink), caved to known blends?

Wait until it’s announced that discmania is owned by Lat64. It’s going to happen eventually. Discmania has never “made” a disc.

The vast majority of disc golf companies have not made a disc. There's really only like 5-6 actual fabs, most of the companies are fabless. However, Discmania appears to have an actual disc factory that produces discs, unlike say Dynamic Discs or Millenium