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ru4por 04-10-2020 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DG_player (Post 3573296)
There are countries taking a much different approach than the "lockdown" approach taken my most western governments. Think about it, the only way we are ever getting back to remotely normal is when we have herd immunity, achievable with a vaccine (a long ways off) or enough people getting sick and recovering. Is endless economic shutdown viable, or is a smooth way to get to herd immunity a better option?

The netherlands is pretty much open for business, large events and schools are closed, but aside from that it's pretty much business as usual (restaurants etc. open). People are treated like adults and asked to maintain social distancing and use basic precautions during their activities (maybe the dutch generally act more adult like than most). High risk and older people are being asked to take much more drastic precautions, essentially the ones many in other parts of the world are taking. In this way the disease spreads through the young and healthy with hopefully minimal mortality and eventually they will reach a level of immunity that the normal life can be resumed with the disease's ability to spread being greatly mitigated.

Is their strategy better than ours and other european nations? Currently their per capita death rates are similar to other european nations. If they can maintain this and reach herd immunity quicker, while letting their economy run mostly normal, I think it would be clear that this is the best strategy. Time will tell. Who knows it might blow up on them. At any rate it's definitely an experiment other national leaders should be watching closely.

As an aside, our local park course recently had the baskets pulled. I'm not sure if this was a preemptive precaution by the parks department, or was a reaction taken as a result of DGers failing to maintain social distancing. Personally, I find it a little sad I can't be treated like an adult and be allowed to engage in an outdoor activity that can be responsibly done with social distancing. I also find it sad that when people are given the freedom to act like responsible adults, a small minority can't.

Good post, DG. Herd immunity is not a great option. Simply put, it relies on enough people getting sick and recovering/dying that most groups you encounter, no longer have a sick or carrying person in the group. That would likely be nearly as far down the road as a vaccine. It would certainly help the economy, but I maintain it would implode the healthcare system in this country. That might say a lot about our healthcare system, but it is what it is.

The Netherlands are going to be an interesting study, for sure. I do believe they are a more adult society. I do believe they are less entitled and more cooperative.

I cannot agree more ,that it is soo frustrating that my time at home will be increased, because many others refuse to help. But, I guess I am happy to help support their personal needs by sacrificing mine.

BigFlickLuke 04-10-2020 12:26 PM

Yeah, the Netherlands has far superior demographics.

LateWesternSky 04-10-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by davetherocketguy (Post 3573282)
If you’d like I can get you the guys contact info and you can tell him that everything will be just fine yourself.

If they are to ignorant/lazy to looks facts up themselves, and instead just follow strangers on the internet blindly, I think they have bigger problems than anxiety.

BogeyNoMore 04-10-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DG_player (Post 3573296)
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The netherlands is pretty much open for business, large events and schools are closed, but aside from that it's pretty much business as usual (restaurants etc. open). People are treated like adults and asked to maintain social distancing and use basic precautions during their activities (maybe the dutch generally act more adult like than most). High risk and older people are being asked to take much more drastic precautions, essentially the ones many in other parts of the world are taking. In this way the disease spreads through the young and healthy with hopefully minimal mortality and eventually they will reach a level of immunity that the normal life can be resumed with the disease's ability to spread being greatly mitigated.

Is their strategy better than ours and other european nations? Currently their per capita death rates are similar to other european nations. If they can maintain this and reach herd immunity quicker, while letting their economy run mostly normal, I think it would be clear that this is the best strategy. Time will tell. Who knows it might blow up on them. At any rate it's [/U]definitely an experiment other national leaders should be watching closely.[/]

I also find it sad that when people are given the freedom to act like responsible adults, a small minority can't.

I excerpted your post because I didn't want mine to scroll on forever.

I think a more measured approach like you describe might work in countries where the spread is more limited, but where Covid has blossomed beyond what the system can accommodate (Italy, Spain, France, USA)...drastic times call for drastic measures. I agree with the underlined: countries should be taking notes assessing what strategies worked well in other countries, and what the situations were in those

Only time will tell. But tell me: what businesses are closed right now that you would open?

I think part of the problem is Americans sense of freedom, if not rebelliousness, is much more profound than most other citizens. I think citizens of most other countries tend to "fall in line" much better than Americans. So many Americans adopt a, "Your not gonna tell me what I can do," attitude, that on even when most people do the right thing, more than enough of us refuse to adapt as the situation calls for. It's not uncommon for the few to ruin things for the many.

BogeyNoMore 04-10-2020 12:51 PM

Worth posting an a searchable part of the forum!
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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3573116)


Hampstead 04-10-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore (Post 3573319)
I think part of the problem is Americans sense of freedom, if not rebelliousness, is much more profound than most other citizens. I think citizens of most other countries tend to "fall in line" much better than Americans. So many Americans adopt a, "Your not gonna tell me what I can do," attitude, that on even when most people do the right thing, more than enough of us refuse to adapt as the situation calls for. It's not uncommon for the few to ruin things for the many.


Exactly.



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Ammon Bundy, the rancher involved in two armed standoffs with the federal government over grazing rights in the Western United States, said that he plans to hold a large Easter gathering in Idaho despite the state’s stay-at-home order amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Bundy said that he plans to hold a gathering in Idaho of “several hundred people,” according to CNN, in a location that has yet to be decided.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/49...ial-distancing

ohtobediscing 04-10-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFlickLuke (Post 3573307)
Yeah, the Netherlands has far superior demographics.

Also more comfortable with some socialist government organization, at least more than the US uses.

JuanA 04-10-2020 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DG_player (Post 3573296)

The netherlands is pretty much open for business, large events and schools are closed, but aside from that it's pretty much business as usual (restaurants etc. open).

I've been seeing more information coming out regarding climate and it's effect on this virus. Temperature/humidity are both being looked at in regards to the virus being able to survive, and spread outside of a host.

Maybe some countries like the Netherlands haven't reached their optimum climate yet?

ru4por 04-10-2020 01:16 PM

With the Netherlands being discussed here as an alternative action to total lockdown, I am leaving some other info from Denmark. I guess my take away is the truth of the unknown.


Rasmus Degnbol/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images

Denmark is now starting to ease some of its COVID-19 restrictions. It will re-open schools and daycare centers on April 15 as its first step towards lifting its lockdown.

Denmark was the second country in Europe to announce a lockdown to limit the spread of the coronavirus, doing so before the country had even reported its first death.

Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen warned that social distancing measures will remain, and that the country can't reopen too quickly.

The Danish restrictions were never as stringent as many countries in Europe and beyond, but seem to have been adhered to very closely.

The country recorded 5,830 cases and 237 deaths as of Friday morning. New daily figures have yet to consistently decline, but remain lower than in many other countries.

BigFlickLuke 04-10-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ohtobediscing (Post 3573340)
Also more comfortable with some socialist government organization, at least more than the US uses.

I wonder if that has anything to do either higher levels of homogeneity.


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