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Seabrook 03-22-2020 09:10 AM

Are we not taking Covid-19 seriously
 
This week I've seen posts on Facebook from Discmania and Dynamic Discs encouraging people to go out and play disc golf during the Covid pandemic. This is highly irresponsible as the crisis is getting worse, more people are getting sick and more governments are declaring of state of emergency and announcing stay at home orders.

However these companies seem to think that since parks are still open that means we should drive across the city, gather together and play disc golf. Unfortunately they see a very narrow path towards the potential pandemic, that their actions have little effect on others.

I do agree that an individual playing a round of disc golf could have minimal transmission of the Covid virus however the risk becomes much greater with all the other activities that happen on the way to the disc golf course. Do you need to stop for Gatorade or a snack? That 20-30 minute drive burns a lot of gas, sooner or later you need to fill up. Maybe a stop to pick up another disc from the store.

What the medical officials are calling for is to stop travelling and stay at home. Yes parks are open but I don't think any city or medical official would agree its a good idea to drive across the city to meet up with your buds.

I have a 3 hole course just down the street, a two minute walk. That is the type of outdoor activity officials are suggesting, a walk in your neighbourhood, a walk in your local park.

Comments, suggestions, am I wrong, is this all a media hype? Let us know your opinion.

wolfmandragon 03-22-2020 09:40 AM

No, it not irresponsible. Sunlight (vit d) is core to out immune response. Happiness and community also boosts our immune response. Moderate exercise boosts our immume response.
Disc golf gives us all three. By all means, more people should be outdoors enjoying life.

I am meeting up with a group to play today. Normally we carpool; we are driving separate. Closed spaces do raise the risk of infection for almost any virus.

DavidSauls 03-22-2020 09:49 AM

We could stop traffic deaths if we outlawed personal cars.

There's no one answer to disc golf---it depends on a lot of factors. Certainly, if we isolate everyone in their own bubble, we'll get the greatest effect on stopping contagion. But if everyone just reduces their risky activities by 80%, it will have a huge effect....and we can still have a little bit of life.

Yesterday, at an isolated course, 8 40+ disc golfers showed up in 7 cars, practiced excellent social distancing, didn't touch each other's discs, etc. Very minimal risk. At the same time, 6 players in their early 20s showed up packed into 2 cars, and seemed to have no regard. (Maybe they all live in 1 house, and are just a traveling group isolation, I don't know).

BogeyNoMore 03-22-2020 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seabrook (Post 3564934)
This week I've seen posts on Facebook from Discmania and Dynamic Discs encouraging people to go out and play disc golf during the Covid pandemic. This is highly irresponsible as the crisis is getting worse, more people are getting sick and more governments are declaring of state of emergency and announcing stay at home orders.

However these companies seem to think that since parks are still open that means we should drive across the city, gather together and play disc golf. Unfortunately they see a very narrow path towards the potential pandemic, that their actions have little effect on others.

I do agree that an individual playing a round of disc golf could have minimal transmission of the Covid virus however the risk becomes much greater with all the other activities that happen on the way to the disc golf course. Do you need to stop for Gatorade or a snack? That 20-30 minute drive burns a lot of gas, sooner or later you need to fill up. Maybe a stop to pick up another disc from the store.

What the medical officials are calling for is to stop travelling and stay at home. Yes parks are open but I don't think any city or medical official would agree its a good idea to drive across the city to meet up with your buds.

I have a 3 hole course just down the street, a two minute walk. That is the type of outdoor activity officials are suggesting, a walk in your neighbourhood, a walk in your local park.

Comments, suggestions, am I wrong, is this all a media hype? Let us know your opinion.

Not completely media hype. This virus is clearly highly transmissible. There's a reason we call things that blow up "viral." I am keenly aware of reducing the transmission of the virus. But your post seems rather knee jerk and doesn't appear to think things though.

No one's saying to "gather together" or to make multiple stops to play a round. Anyone who says to or does that is a fool.

I get in my car, in my garage. Go to the course and play a solo round, or maybe even meet someone at the course. Play our round. We don't have to come within 10 ft of each other, but we can talk and vent and blow off steam. No one should touch anyone else's discs, and give each other plenty of space.

When I fill up, I wear nitrile gloves (I have a box I bought at Harbor Freight in my car) and chuck them in the trash after opening my car door. Then drive back home to my garage. The risk I've transmitted or contracted anything is quite low.

It is incumbent on all of us (those who play, as well as those who don't) to continuously make rational decisions and active efforts to reduce our exposure, as well as the exposure of others should one already be an asymptomatic carrier. One good decision isn't enough. We need everyone to be vigilant, all the time to flatten the curve.



Also, can we keep the discussion about Covid & disc golf to one of the thread's already started, like this one: Can we safely play a round of disc golf?

JRW III 03-22-2020 10:05 AM

Everyone's personal situation different. I am lucky to have two courses within biking distance. At times like this, it is good to have a safe outlet to preserve sanity.

rjnoodlearm 03-22-2020 10:11 AM

Changing routine is complicated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore (Post 3564949)
When I fill up, I wear nitrile gloves (I have a box I bought at Harbor Freight in my car) and chuck them in the trash after opening my car door. Then drive back home to my garage. The risk I've transmitted or contracted anything is quite low.
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If you use your gloved hand to open your car door then you have transferred germs that you touched with the gloved hand to your car door. When you next touch that handle, unless you are wearing gloves.........

ballgolfconvert 03-22-2020 10:14 AM

I read the WHO report on China. It totally downgrades the spread ability of the virus. For instance if you have an infected person in the household there is still only a 10% chance of someone else in the household getting it. They have also said it does not appear there is much non-symptomatic spread. Basically if you get it, you will show symptoms. This report actually comforted me a lot, as it appears this is not going to blow up like the worst case scenario's describe.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cov...-over-hysteria

Armus Patheticus 03-22-2020 10:16 AM

From a broad standpoint, I try to feel serious empathy for people who are suffering directly and indirectly: from sickness, loss, fear, financial problems, and so on. But it's not easy. When added to the sum of the world's suffering, this sickness is almost negligible, and I've always found it important to avoid selective concern based on media attention or nationalism or sensationalism or other flavors of mindless hypocrisy. So while I am saddened, the most I can muster is a sad shrug.

From a personal standpoint I am wholly unconcerned. Loss of convenience means nothing to me, and I have no fear of losing people important to me, or any fear for my own bodily sake.

From a practical standpoint I try to practice good manners, realizing that many people are afraid, and give others plenty of space. I've made more telephone calls than visits. I try to avoid making making others sick or uncomfortable to what I reckon to be a reasonable degree.

From a disc golf standpoint, I play whenever I feel like it, with whoever I feel like. I don't take any special precautions.

So you tell me. Am I taking it seriously?

BogeyNoMore 03-22-2020 10:18 AM

I have no assurance someone else hasn't touched my car door, either. I can wipe it down with alcohol.
Put gloves on inside car. Fill up. Open car door. Throw gloves away. Get in car. Go home. Wipe down door handle.
When I dispose of the gloves, I pull them off from the wrist, leaving them inside-out.

Jolt 03-22-2020 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore (Post 3564954)
I have no assurance someone else hasn't touched my car door, either. I can wipe it down with alcohol.
Put gloves on inside car. Fill up. Open car door. Throw gloves away. Get in car. Go home. Wipe down door handle.
When I dispose of the gloves, I pull them off from the wrist, leaving them inside-out.

But you don’t get sick if you just get the virus on your hands..just don’t touch your mouth,nose or eyes and wash your hands before and after you have been out.

Never seen so many new players on the course as today, many families out and playing for the first time...they all said it felt like a safe thing to do after being home stuck inside all week

Jay Dub 03-22-2020 10:31 AM

Local Gov here is encouraging people to get out to the parks while keeping a safe distance.

Twmccoy 03-22-2020 10:46 AM

If anything, Coronavirus has made disc golf MORE popular. I was at the course last Sunday, and I've never seen the place so busy. A steady stream of players all day. Disc golf is one of the very few activities still available to Americans that minimizes togetherness and the spread of germs. People are going to play, regardless of what naysayers and worrywarts may say.

Its absolutely ludicrous to assume that people are going to sit in their houses for 2 months straight doing absolutely nothing. If getting out for a casual round of disc golf alleviates tension and maintains sanity I'm all for it.

wims 03-22-2020 11:03 AM

My local course was also crammed full of newer, casual players

Blobfish 03-22-2020 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgolfconvert (Post 3564952)
I read the WHO report on China. It totally downgrades the spread ability of the virus. For instance if you have an infected person in the household there is still only a 10% chance of someone else in the household getting it. They have also said it does not appear there is much non-symptomatic spread. Basically if you get it, you will show symptoms. This report actually comforted me a lot, as it appears this is not going to blow up like the worst case scenario's describe.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cov...-over-hysteria

I don't wish to start a political debate here. I was interested when you said you read the WHO report. But then you linked to a zerohedge site which is no more reputable than any other blog (which is what zerohedge is). In fact, they kind of got in trouble for spreading disinformation about COVID19.

So yeah, I'm not trying to be partisan here, I just think that if you want to legitimize your information that the source was the World Health Organization, you should link to the actual report.

peabody 03-22-2020 11:05 AM

Our government wants us to help in keeping the spread of the virus down to a minimum.
Personally that means no group activities and little to no travel only for essentials(groceries,prescriptions,doctor visits,ect.)
I live in a rural area of the country and lots of discers are playing the one open course near me
and even though I think they are taking too much of a chance, they have a right to be there until the local government shuts it down.
I will not play untill this crisis is over. I have a basket in my yard so I can get by.
The spring breakers are all coming back to their communities and should be self-quarantining for 14 days but that will not happen. More spread and more deaths.
People are dying alone with no loved ones by their side because of the nature of this virus.
Funerals are being held remotely via video.
In New Jersey 6 family members tested positive and 4 are dead.
60% of the US population needs to get caronavirus but at a slower rate than we're currently at. The slower the infection rate the better our healthcare system will fare as far as death rates.
China quarantined millions of their citizens and used martial law (welding apartment doors shut)
and finally got the infection rate slowed down.
South Korea had tons of testing and tracing to identify hot spots and have turned the corner.
To the OP, I don't think we are taking this seriously and the few folks that say they can do what they want are being selfish and inconsiderate of others who they might infect.

Halcón 03-22-2020 11:25 AM

I am all for flattening the curve. But if you travel alone to the course, and you're in a group of one, the chances of you getting the virus or spreading it are very minimal. The bigger the groups the more risk there is. We should basically all be staying away from each other as much as possible.

To answer the OP though, no, we are not taking it seriously. We don't take any illness seriously, which is why thousands also die from the flu every year.

ThrowaEnvy 03-22-2020 11:33 AM

Nope we aren't all taking it seriously, some are but some don't. Sometimes it's blown out of proportion but at the same time how much will it take to hammer it into people's heads. If we don't straighten up we will all be in lockdown, COMPLETELY. It's like arguing with an anti-vaccer

Too many stupid self involved people.. I often tell the kid when she says "why?" that you need to remember at least half the people you know aren't as smart as you.

God loves stupid people, it's why he made so many of them.

ThrowaEnvy 03-22-2020 11:41 AM

And paranoia is not completely misplaced or un warranted.. I feel more comfortable around paranoid people these days. :)

I have experience working with "potential" toxic waste and in a uranium mine. You can die if you chew your finger nails.. Probably good training right about now.

ticklethetruth 03-22-2020 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgolfconvert (Post 3564952)
I read the WHO report on China. It totally downgrades the spread ability of the virus. For instance if you have an infected person in the household there is still only a 10% chance of someone else in the household getting it. They have also said it does not appear there is much non-symptomatic spread. Basically if you get it, you will show symptoms. This report actually comforted me a lot, as it appears this is not going to blow up like the worst case scenario's describe.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cov...-over-hysteria

Why wouldn't you link the actual WHO report instead of a post by Tyler Durden on a far-right leaning financial blog ?

Orioles_Lefty 03-22-2020 11:52 AM

On that point about cars: I’m not playing primarily bc playing for me requires driving and I’m avoiding all voluntary driving. I can work online at home, so I haven’t moved my car in 9 days.

Driving is risky. Risky means non-zero possibility of hospital trip. Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do daily during “normal conditions.”

Hospital trip means another person needing help within a overloaded system. Hospital trip increases possibility of exposure and spread.

I’d likely play if I had a course within walking distance. And now I look forward to someone telling me about the dangers of being a pedestrian bc this is DGCR after all.

We are all “free,” until the gov’t (state or fed) tells us otherwise, to decide what social distancing looks like w/in parameters provided. Mine means no unnecessary driving.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3564947)
We could stop traffic deaths if we outlawed personal cars.

There's no one answer to disc golf---it depends on a lot of factors. Certainly, if we isolate everyone in their own bubble, we'll get the greatest effect on stopping contagion. But if everyone just reduces their risky activities by 80%, it will have a huge effect....and we can still have a little bit of life.

Yesterday, at an isolated course, 8 40+ disc golfers showed up in 7 cars, practiced excellent social distancing, didn't touch each other's discs, etc. Very minimal risk. At the same time, 6 players in their early 20s showed up packed into 2 cars, and seemed to have no regard. (Maybe they all live in 1 house, and are just a traveling group isolation, I don't know).


Orioles_Lefty 03-22-2020 11:56 AM

I’ll add that working on a 1,000 piece puzzle isn’t anywhere as fun as DG, but it is what it is.

SD86 03-22-2020 12:02 PM

I believe people are taking CV seriously... go check the toilet paper and bread aisles at your local grocery store, and see the empty streets and restaurants, etc.

Having said that, playing disc golf is one of the safer things you can do during this time.

wolfmandragon 03-22-2020 12:10 PM

Flattening the curve might actually make it worse. So many variables, too many unknowns.
What is pretty clear is that the fallout from the supply chain being shut down is more likely to be more deadly than the virus is even if the virus was left unchecked.

Part of my job is working with OHDSI databases, so I have been keeping pretty close watch on the studies(Not over the weekend, my brain had to have a rest). From data from S. Korea(the best data sets) it does look like unless one is in a high risk group, there is way too much of an over reaction.

There also seems to be effective treatments that have been rediscovered from the old SARS-1 virus, which was much more deadly than the current SARS-2.

There is still a lot we don't know, but the best medical advice is always "First do no harm".

Sorry for the ramble, I would have made it shorter if I had more time.

discerdoo 03-22-2020 12:13 PM

Based on the other threads on this topic, I'd say plenty of people are taking it seriously. I'm heading out to a course west of town that I rarely see anyone else playing. Same course where I'm pretty sure I picked up a dose of salmonella a couple years ago from the goose shixt on the course. Been packing hand sanitizer in my bag ever since.

ru4por 03-22-2020 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3564947)
We could stop traffic deaths if we outlawed personal cars.

There's no one answer to disc golf---it depends on a lot of factors. Certainly, if we isolate everyone in their own bubble, we'll get the greatest effect on stopping contagion. But if everyone just reduces their risky activities by 80%, it will have a huge effect....and we can still have a little bit of life.

Yesterday, at an isolated course, 8 40+ disc golfers showed up in 7 cars, practiced excellent social distancing, didn't touch each other's discs, etc. Very minimal risk. At the same time, 6 players in their early 20s showed up packed into 2 cars, and seemed to have no regard. (Maybe they all live in 1 house, and are just a traveling group isolation, I don't know).

This was my experience yesterday. Met a buddy at a course, driving separately. The courses eventually became busy, not packed but quite a few golfers were out there. Among them several groups of 8+ golfers. Arriving packed 3,4,5 in a car, hugging, shaking hands and high fiving. Playing in this group with zero regard for any distancing.

I was blown away. I estimate there were about 40 players on the course all day, demonstrating this kind of behavior. It indeed, without exception that I saw (and I was looking), was all young adults. I honestly don't know what the hell is wrong with these people. This behavior has me rethinking my choice to continue to play. They increase my risk substantially. I wonder if they realize that....better yet, if they give a crap about it. I, sadly am under the impression that they don't give a crap about anyone.

Plenty of twosomes and threesomes out there, all practicing social distancing. Many parking away from the group of cars by the kiosk. Many washing their hands and discs at their cars when finished. Even saw a couple of twosome/threesomes sitting at a couple picnic tables having a beer.

Perhaps I will rethink my course choice....perhaps I will rethink playing. Disc golf seems like a great opportunity to get outside and do something. I will make be very sad, to give it up, because people are inconsiderate bastards.

DavidSauls 03-22-2020 01:00 PM

I was in the Social Distancing Group. I'd left a disc behind on a hole---no problem, it's my course, I can get it anytime. Then one of the guys in the Invincible Group picked it up, and yelled to me that he'd found it. I told him to leave it where it was .

Halcón 03-22-2020 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3564993)
Flattening the curve might actually make it worse.

Flattening the curve works. People are too dumb, stubborn, careless, and unbelieving to do it on their own, though.

Forcing the curve to flatten is going to destroy us.

thrembo 03-22-2020 01:41 PM

A lot of people showed up for what would have been a league round this morning. We all laughed when the 10th person showed up. The oldest among us said he didn't really care if he got it, he would just go off and die and not give it to anyone else and we all laughed again. The smoke was passed around freely and we broke into smaller groups and played a round. Our county has an average age of around 55. So most of us are in the late boomer to the early millennial age range. We have only 2 active coronavirus cases in my county right now, so we are not in a hot zone situation like the large cities. We are taking it seriously, and most things are closed now and the shelves in the stores are mostly bare. We may have to play solo rounds in the future, we'll see.

Hampstead 03-22-2020 01:46 PM

Definitely not passing smoke around freely. Not passing at all.

thrembo 03-22-2020 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3565019)
Definitely not passing smoke around freely. Not passing at all.

My neighbors across the street threw a redneck rager last night. Lots of trucks beer and a crappy live band. Under normal conditions, I might have crashed it but decided to abstain this time. They didn't seem too concerned about the coronavirus. Floriduh x youngins.

Bardu 03-22-2020 01:51 PM

I drive to the course alone, avoid any other stops, and play alone. I think the risks are pretty minimal. I know others to continue to, but I avoid playing with groups.

Halcón 03-22-2020 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halcón (Post 3565016)
Flattening the curve works. People are too dumb, stubborn, careless, and unbelieving to do it on their own, though.

Forcing the curve to flatten is going to destroy us.

Not that I want to quote myself, but I forgot one important thing. Many might want to stay home when they're sick, but they simply can't afford it. It's why so many lower wage earners work rain or shine, sick or not. But again, by forcing them to stay home, sure it helps the virus spread more slowly, but it's killing our economy. There's no easy way to handle a pandemic.

BigFlickLuke 03-22-2020 02:17 PM

I haven't missed a round that I would have otherwise played.

DiscgolfStu 03-22-2020 02:17 PM

My province just declared a state of emergency, closing all provincial and municipal parks, so no disc golf in Nova Scotia unless you happen to have a private course nearby (which most dont).

Emoney 03-22-2020 02:39 PM

This is serious. Maybe more than we think.

I mean, the MONEY stopped.

If everyone does their part we can at least slow this down. The quicker we turn this around, the quicker we go back to "normal" life

Orioles_Lefty 03-22-2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrembo (Post 3565018)
A lot of people showed up for what would have been a league round this morning. We all laughed when the 10th person showed up. The oldest among us said he didn't really care if he got it, he would just go off and die and not give it to anyone else and we all laughed again. The smoke was passed around freely and we broke into smaller groups and played a round. Our county has an average age of around 55. So most of us are in the late boomer to the early millennial age range. We have only 2 active coronavirus cases in my county right now, so we are not in a hot zone situation like the large cities. We are taking it seriously, and most things are closed now and the shelves in the stores are mostly bare. We may have to play solo rounds in the future, we'll see.

Many incremental decisions have been superseded by a more severe incremental decision days later — examples include going from games w/o spectators to no games at all and from social distancing to shelter in place. That you think you might have to do something in the future means that you should probably do that thing now. But this seems like a fairly unpopular stance. <shrug>

DiscFifty 03-22-2020 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seabrook (Post 3564934)
TComments, suggestions, am I wrong, is this all a media hype? Let us know your opinion.

"Am I wrong" - Yes, disc golf players should use common sense and is a great time for a solo round.

"Is this all a media hype?" - If they're advertising a disc to buy, maybe, otherwise NO.

"Let us know your opinion." - Who do you work for? Is this a survey or something?

BogeyNoMore 03-22-2020 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3565014)
I was in the Social Distancing Group. I'd left a disc behind on a hole---no problem, it's my course, I can get it anytime. Then one of the guys in the Invincible Group picked it up, and yelled to me that he'd found it. I told him to leave it where it was .

:wall: :wall: :wall:

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrembo (Post 3565021)
My neighbors across the street threw a redneck rager last night. Lots of trucks beer and a crappy live band. Under normal conditions, I might have crashed it but decided to abstain this time. They didn't seem too concerned about the coronavirus. Floriduh x youngins.

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Halcón 03-22-2020 03:23 PM

Simple gif showing how we can make a difference.

https://twitter.com/toby_etc/status/1241428108114190337

You could add, "This person didn't play disc golf in a big group."

Jay Dub 03-22-2020 03:28 PM

Beaches have been shut down because people were openly not following guidelines.

Guess what will happen if people start seeing big groups not following guidelines on disc golf courses.


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