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Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 02:56 PM
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Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Is it errorless? Are all the players experts?

Is it errorless?

Are all the players experts?
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 09:08 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
No, just holes like this one. On some holes,...

No, just holes like this one. On some holes, most players will not make an error.

Note that even if most players make errorless throws most of the time, the errors can accumulate to where most of...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 11:41 AM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
I didn't ask which of the choices perfectly...

I didn't ask which of the choices perfectly described the hole. You can't pick "none". It's a contest that needs a winner.

Why par 3? And, why doesn't that choice describe the hole to your...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 11:36 AM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Good response. Thanks. Any method of...

Good response. Thanks.

Any method of setting par based on scoring distribution will have limited information.

But right now, we're trying to calibrate a method. Use whatever information you...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-19-2018, 10:24 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Pretty much. He might contribute a fraction of a...

Pretty much. He might contribute a fraction of a round of data (out of usually dozens or hundreds) if needed to offset a 956 rated player, if there aren't enough players nearer to 1000.

I thought...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-19-2018, 08:57 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Par 1 because Ricky aced it?

Par 1 because Ricky aced it?
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-19-2018, 01:55 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
I turned it into a poll to generate interest. ...

I turned it into a poll to generate interest. The percentages are for 1000-rated players.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-18-2018, 10:25 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
That's exactly what we need to be thinking about....

That's exactly what we need to be thinking about. Before I weigh in with my preconceived notions, I'd like to hear from others.

For reference, the 1000-rated scoring distribution is
1 0.6%...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-18-2018, 08:40 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,364
Posted By Steve West
What the per capita for the whole USA?

What the per capita for the whole USA?
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-18-2018, 09:16 AM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
If everyone used the scores of 1000-rated players...

If everyone used the scores of 1000-rated players (whether actual or predicted) any reasonable method of choosing “expected” would work OK. And if there are few outliers, all stats will settle on...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 10:58 PM
Replies: 36
Views: 828
Posted By Steve West
No, that's a disc crocodile.

No, that's a disc crocodile.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 07-17-2018, 03:29 PM
Replies: 95
Views: 3,140
Posted By Steve West
"Placing an object as a directional aid is not...

"Placing an object as a directional aid is not allowed." Rattling the chains is not placing an object.

The only possible rule that might be specifically violated is "A player is not allowed to...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 02:21 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Yep. So what I do is try out every par from...

Yep.

So what I do is try out every par from 2 to 6 and see which one would result in the smallest calculated chance of non-expected throws.

It is built on the assumption that most throws by...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 02:05 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Meanwhile, I find some evil satisfaction in...

Meanwhile, I find some evil satisfaction in noticing that the MacBeth quote the ESPN announcer choose for Paul's eagle on hole 2 at GLO was "False face must hide what the false heart doth know".
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 01:36 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Have you seen the way they teach math now? I'm...

Have you seen the way they teach math now? I'm surprised she wasn't expelled for not acknowledging that all the other answers to -4+1=? are equally valid in their own special way.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 01:31 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
No, just better par. I don't really care whether...

No, just better par. I don't really care whether more birdies or more bogeys are the result.

Of course, most of the incentives (make the course look tougher, make the players feel good, hide that...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 01:20 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Wrong. But understandably so. An error...

Wrong.

But understandably so.

An error is a throw that increases the player's expected score by one throw.

Take a par 3 where it's expected to be played as a drive, lay-up and putt. Make a...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 12:56 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
I've never said we shouldn't improve the physical...

I've never said we shouldn't improve the physical hole. However, that's not always possible in time for the tournament.

All I'm saying is that hoping for the hole to be improved is not a valid...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 12:43 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
I try to put the tournament name in the post with...

I try to put the tournament name in the post with the charts, so you can search General Disc Golf Chat for posts by me with the tournament name as keywords. In this case, it's back at #1627.
...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 11:35 AM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
They’ve been used for decades. In fact, the very...

They’ve been used for decades. In fact, the very early use probably was what caused a backlash.

These days, I don’t think anyone seriously questions whether it is possible that there are holes...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 07-17-2018, 12:05 AM
Replies: 95
Views: 3,140
Posted By Steve West
That's why "according to" ultimately doesn't mean...

That's why "according to" ultimately doesn't mean a thing unless it is followed by "the Tournament Director".
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-17-2018, 12:02 AM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
I would expect it to vary as those chances vary. ...

I would expect it to vary as those chances vary. With or without OB padding.

The round rating of par set by this method will hover around 1000 because I'm using the scoring distribution of...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-16-2018, 10:39 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
The holes at the Konopište Open 2018 seemed to...

The holes at the Konopište Open 2018 seemed to have been designed by lengthening holes just enough to call them a one-higher par or shortening them as much as possible without dropping down to a...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-15-2018, 08:07 PM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Oh, there will be plenty left to discuss. Like...

Oh, there will be plenty left to discuss. Like what level of player par should be set for.

Jackson is targeting Gold players, but:

Konopište Open 2018, Franz Ferdinand, PDGA Major

...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-13-2018, 07:39 AM
Replies: 3,245
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 345,124
Posted By Steve West
Or, after we redefine the miss-a-hole penalty to...

Or, after we redefine the miss-a-hole penalty to be absolutely fair, we could just set par to "penalty -4".
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