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Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 06-18-2017, 10:17 PM
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Posted By DG_player
What else would you expect from ESPN? They have...

What else would you expect from ESPN? They have the correct stats on the USGA site.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 06-18-2017, 09:19 PM
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It was hole 15. They played the short tee on...

It was hole 15. They played the short tee on saturday.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 06-05-2017, 10:30 PM
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Posted By DG_player
Two shots from close range? ...

Two shots from close range?



Consistency?
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-30-2017, 11:00 PM
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Posted By DG_player
The other strength of disc golf vs. ball golf is...

The other strength of disc golf vs. ball golf is the lack of required maintenance. A decent ball golf course is going to have it's greens mowed daily, fairways mowed a few times a week, and likely...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-28-2017, 07:48 PM
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Posted By DG_player
The best 10 of 20 is used for a couple of...

The best 10 of 20 is used for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that you do not want high scores that are attributable to bad weather or other difficult conditions averaged in. Disc golf...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-23-2017, 07:42 PM
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Posted By DG_player
The question is, could you make score truer to...

The question is, could you make score truer to par, and still maintain the features that make it a fun hole.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-23-2017, 07:34 PM
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Posted By DG_player
EES often wouldn't give you good information...

EES often wouldn't give you good information either. If experts play a hole around 2.5, labelling it a 2 or 3 is going to give you equally bad information. Now if EES was non-integer, that would be...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-22-2017, 11:56 PM
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Posted By DG_player
It's not that I'm concerned that there will be...

It's not that I'm concerned that there will be borderline holes, it's more that it feels like an admission of failure by disc golf. Steve can call this hole a par 3, even though he knows it's not...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-21-2017, 03:10 PM
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Posted By DG_player
I for one am all for data. I just don't see it...

I for one am all for data. I just don't see it as a useful for setting par. It's very useful for telling you whether or not a hole has achieved it's objective.

If you have a hole that's shooting...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 10:13 PM
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Posted By DG_player
Not me personally, just in general for any given...

Not me personally, just in general for any given hole. There are holes where par fails to describe the score an expert should get simply because the hole is a tweener. Either par is a failing to...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 08:37 PM
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Posted By DG_player
What is the goal of par? Is it just to show...

What is the goal of par? Is it just to show expected score or something more? And does it matter if for some holes you can't achieve the goal?
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 08:03 PM
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Posted By DG_player
I was just clarifying that by the current...

I was just clarifying that by the current definition, close range must be greater than effective length for a hole to be a par 2. I'm in agreement that it's pretty ambiguous since close range is...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 04:55 PM
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Posted By DG_player
You need to re-read the definition: "Par ...

You need to re-read the definition:

"Par

As determined by the Director, the score an expert disc golfer would be expected to make on a given hole with errorless play under ordinary weather...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 04:25 PM
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Posted By DG_player
The only way a par 2 could meet the definition,...

The only way a par 2 could meet the definition, is if close range was defined to be a distance greater than the length of the hole.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 03:58 PM
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Posted By DG_player
Too be fair, where in the definition does it say...

Too be fair, where in the definition does it say anything about par matching expected score?

The only definition I've ever seen is errorless play with 2 shots to hole out from close range.

It's...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 10:58 AM
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Posted By DG_player
I'm not going to debate the actual wording of the...

I'm not going to debate the actual wording of the definition, that's been thoroughly done already.

I will agree that if your sole goal with par is to get a number closest to the expected score,...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 10:03 AM
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Posted By DG_player
Based on Steve's data, I think it's clear that if...

Based on Steve's data, I think it's clear that if the hole was lengthened such that it played similar to 900 rating for 1000 rated players it would be both a better hole, and satisfy both...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 09:06 AM
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Posted By DG_player
I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with that....

I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with that. I would think that by making going for the green in one possible, but still a fairly difficult shot, you would see more 4s and 5s, given that some...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-20-2017, 08:36 AM
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Posted By DG_player
It's very relevant. This thread has been...

It's very relevant.

This thread has been largely about the definition of par. If satisfying both definitions is necessary to create a quality hole, how can you unilaterally declare one definition...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-19-2017, 10:18 PM
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Posted By DG_player
Yes, strictly by that definition it's a par 3. ...

Yes, strictly by that definition it's a par 3. By the alternate definition it's a 4.

Would you not agree with my assessment that had the hole been setup to satisfy both definitions it would...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-19-2017, 07:54 PM
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Posted By DG_player
I think that is probably a product of using...

I think that is probably a product of using natural penalties instead of artificial OB. Errant shots weren't automatically a full stroke or more penalty, so you would expect to see a lower average...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-19-2017, 07:48 PM
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Posted By DG_player
The difference is in the order you do things. ...

The difference is in the order you do things. The hole should be setup based on the par, not the par determined based on scores for the hole.

A good example is hole 5 i believe at OLPE (I may...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-17-2017, 07:50 PM
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Posted By DG_player
I'm not really sure how you can come to that...

I'm not really sure how you can come to that conclusion. Very rarely has par, at least as widely used to date, in disc golf matched difficulty. If it did this thread wouldn't exist. It often...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-17-2017, 10:57 AM
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Posted By DG_player
Par doesn't really even achieve this in ball...

Par doesn't really even achieve this in ball golf. You have a course rating and slope parameter for every course from every tee. Oftentimes the course rating can vary +/- 7 or 8 shots from par...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-11-2017, 09:45 PM
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Posted By DG_player
Just the sheer $$$ amount spent. 40% of...

Just the sheer $$$ amount spent. 40% of respondents have spent over 2 grand.
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