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Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion Yesterday, 09:54 PM
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Posted By teemkey
It's been a minute. I hope you & yours are doing...

It's been a minute. I hope you & yours are doing well.



Since 806.02E specifically refers to an IB disc, wouldn't you think F refers to an OB disc? Do you have your situations reversed?
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Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 03:45 AM
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Posted By teemkey
So you have to determine your odds of recovery....

So you have to determine your odds of recovery. Where are you setting (and what do you recommend as) a method of determining where a nurse should set their go/no go point? And where do you go to for...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-31-2020, 10:38 PM
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Posted By teemkey
I'm more concerned with dog legs (and other...

I'm more concerned with dog legs (and other shapes) where free OR gives the player an increase in p(success) + decrease p(failure) in excess of (say) +15% relative to the 1m lie. Theoretically, that...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-31-2020, 05:56 PM
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Posted By teemkey
I'm not saying it is *always* bad. ...

I'm not saying it is *always* bad.



Aren't they both "marking within one meter of the OB line?"

806.02F: The out-of-bounds line extends a vertical plane. When marking within one meter of the...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 09:18 PM
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Posted By teemkey
IMO, over generous. (See my quick recap of ARay's...

IMO, over generous. (See my quick recap of ARay's OP in the post above.)
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 09:15 PM
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Posted By teemkey
Well no, or more accurately it doesn't matter....

Well no, or more accurately it doesn't matter. Assuming the post-OR lie is your goal, IB or OB you'd be lying 2 either way (after one throw and one penalty).

Remember we started with the OP asking...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 07:13 PM
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Posted By teemkey
What I'm saying is that being able to choose your...

What I'm saying is that being able to choose your preferred lie (before & after OR) with no penalty is advantageous (vs. taking a penalty to have the choice).
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 05:31 PM
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Posted By teemkey
Picture WACO #17... Let's say B's disc is at...

Picture WACO #17...

Let's say B's disc is at the exact same point on the OB line where A's disc crossed the line. They both take 1m relief: why is A then permitted get choose a more advantageous...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 04:59 PM
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Posted By teemkey
What Aray said. But sorry, no slight...

What Aray said.

But sorry, no slight intended. I probably missed a lot of posters I might have directly addressed.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 03:05 PM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
I'm more concerned with Parks Dept, course...

I'm more concerned with Parks Dept, course owners, and other non disc golfers pulling courses for environmental protection.



(IMO) Popularity of a course/tournament design is really the TD's...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-29-2020, 01:51 AM
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Posted By teemkey
I was just suggesting that 802.02E could be...

I was just suggesting that 802.02E could be deleted if instead,TDs were forcefully encouraged to create relief areas -- assuming that 806.04 (Relief Areas) were created to protect against erosion...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-28-2020, 05:07 PM
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Posted By teemkey
We devil's advocates appreciate appreciation like...

We devil's advocates appreciate appreciation like a tall, cool drink of water in a very dry desert.



Agreed.



I've read that the primary concern free optional relief addressed is a hole...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-28-2020, 03:45 PM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
Well done! Most persuasive argument yet, I see no...

Well done! Most persuasive argument yet, I see no need to add anything more.



My earlier argument stipulates that optional relief after an OB is a member of a set of methods of which only one...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-28-2020, 02:48 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 2,132
Posted By teemkey
I just want to regain the stamina to play 36...

I just want to regain the stamina to play 36 holes.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-28-2020, 12:15 AM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
I looked it up. There are multiple definitions...

I looked it up. There are multiple definitions depending on how it is used in a sentence. Twitter users are following other users, 50 police cars were following OJ's Bronco, fashion houses are on...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-28-2020, 12:01 AM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
Oh, sorry. My interpretation is that the...

Oh, sorry.

My interpretation is that the player may choose to use optional relief without penalty if that is the one method used to establish an IB lie. If another method is used to establish the...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-27-2020, 07:51 PM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
Well it's a sequence that occurs in a certain...

Well it's a sequence that occurs in a certain order, and constrains a rule written for one situation being applied to a different situation -- making rule writing (and reading/interpreting) easier.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-27-2020, 07:21 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 2,531
Posted By teemkey
Most reasonable people would agree; but why not...

Most reasonable people would agree; but why not include a couple of clarifying words?

While thinking through this argument, I found myself parsing a "throw" into four steps:

1. Establish the...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-27-2020, 07:04 PM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
No. I stand by my earlier post. IF the RC had...

No. I stand by my earlier post. IF the RC had written 803.02E with something like "The player my take optional relief without penalty after establishing an IB lie under 806.02D," it would be clear.
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Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-27-2020, 06:18 PM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
Sorry Steve, I'm not clear what you're objecting...

Sorry Steve, I'm not clear what you're objecting to. 806.02D is about establishing a lie after an OB throw, not throwing or what happens after a throw.

My problem with binding the rule in time is...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-27-2020, 04:18 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 2,531
Posted By teemkey
802.01 802.06C 806.02D&F ...

802.01


802.06C


806.02D&F


803.02D&E
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-27-2020, 01:31 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 2,531
Posted By teemkey
Fine, if they do not establish a new lie using...

Fine, if they do not establish a new lie using the 1m rule before moving back on the LOP. However, if they do establish a new lie using 1m, then optional relief should cost a one-throw penalty (IMO)....
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-26-2020, 07:34 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 2,531
Posted By teemkey
I'd prefer to wait until you answer the second...

I'd prefer to wait until you answer the second question (since 801.02H is part of my reasoning).
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-26-2020, 05:29 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 2,531
Posted By teemkey
I am calling the one meter rule "relief" because...

I am calling the one meter rule "relief" because IMO its purpose is to allow the player space to take a legal stance, and due to the player's ability to select the best point within the meter. I'm...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-26-2020, 01:51 PM
Replies: 77
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Posted By teemkey
It's not clear whether he can move the lie in...

It's not clear whether he can move the lie in bounds one meter, before taking optional relief. If he can, then it might be the right play; but I would rule he cannot -- based on the theory that the...
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