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Forum: Disc Golf Courses Yesterday, 05:52 PM
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Posted By DavidSauls
Haven't played it, but from what I hear about...

Haven't played it, but from what I hear about Flip City, wouldn't that win the prize? I mean, mobs of people rated it a 5, and the detractors say it's not all that challenging.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses Yesterday, 10:09 AM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
I saw 2 pictures of the land and, just based on...

I saw 2 pictures of the land and, just based on that, I believe you.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses Yesterday, 09:06 AM
Replies: 101
Views: 7,026
Posted By DavidSauls
Sugaree (#1, any and all categories) Ashe...

Sugaree (#1, any and all categories)
Ashe County
Hampton Park (#1 city park courses category, #3 overall)
Hampton Park
Flyboy (#1 nothing-like-it category, #4 overall)
Bohart Ranch
Pipeline (#1...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses Yesterday, 06:50 AM
Replies: 75
Views: 7,910
Posted By DavidSauls
I don't know the number, but there's a hole on...

I don't know the number, but there's a hole on the back nine that is one of he most adventurous I've played. It tees over water; on the far side are two fairway options cut through the woods, but...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-26-2017, 08:32 PM
Replies: 300
Views: 22,225
Posted By DavidSauls
Or put all divisions on the same layout, and let...

Or put all divisions on the same layout, and let top scores, regardless of division, qualify.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-26-2017, 12:22 PM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
I looked through those examples and about a dozen...

I looked through those examples and about a dozen other event results. There aren't many such holes.

Some are 50/50 holes---hey, we discussed how bad 50/50 holes were, a few hundred posts...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-26-2017, 12:19 PM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
People may change the way they approach a hole...

People may change the way they approach a hole based on the par assigned to it.....but if they do, they're fools. If anyone playing with me as done so, they haven't been a big enough fool to tell...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-26-2017, 10:30 AM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
Very nice. Thanks. For the record, I don't...

Very nice. Thanks.

For the record, I don't subscribe to the argument that people only want every hole to be birdie-able to stroke their own egos. Just as I don't buy that all people who want...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-26-2017, 10:11 AM
Replies: 300
Views: 22,225
Posted By DavidSauls
I think sanctioning is a good move, not just for...

I think sanctioning is a good move, not just for points. It puts events on the PDGA calendar, and assures players of certain standards. It also shows that the NGT folks are willing to learn and...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 08:54 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
My fault---I misread it and led the thread astray.

My fault---I misread it and led the thread astray.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 08:26 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
I read the original post wrongly as Top 10, only...

I read the original post wrongly as Top 10, only "no qualifiers" (courses that can't make this site's Top 10 list). That's why I was scratching my brain to fill it out.

Top 10, any course past...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 08:19 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
That question would encompass highly-reviewed...

That question would encompass highly-reviewed courses, perhaps even Top 10, and be something like a favorites list.

But.....if I had so much money that it didn't matter to me, I'd be tempted to...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 07:40 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
If I were to flesh out a top 10, it would be a...

If I were to flesh out a top 10, it would be a long drop from the ones I listed to the rest. I looked through my personal list and my list on this site, and the others (2.5-3.0) would be

River...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 07:24 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
but but but but but.....they're not obscure to...

but but but but but.....they're not obscure to me!

OK, let me take some guesses

Meriwether Farm was the first private course I ever encountered sometime in the late 90s when I hadn't been...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 06:50 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
Which. Or all?

Which. Or all?
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 06:43 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
I could stick Gran Canyon (annual temp course) on...

I could stick Gran Canyon (annual temp course) on my list, in or near the top 5, and Meriwether Farm (or whatever it was called) on there too.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-25-2017, 06:18 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 869
Posted By DavidSauls
Grand Canyon (original) Flyboy Still Waters...

Grand Canyon (original)
Flyboy
Still Waters Farm
Camp Canaan
Hampton Park
Pipeline
Stonehenge
Langley Pond
Southeast Park
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 12:45 PM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
----supplement--- * It is impractical to apply...

----supplement---
* It is impractical to apply this to every course. At this time, applying it to the top-level pro events would suffice.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 12:41 PM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
Apologies, "worship" was a poor choice of words...

Apologies, "worship" was a poor choice of words there. ".....take it as the final authority on a subject." would be been much better.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 12:24 PM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
Summary of my opinion (this time, without...

Summary of my opinion (this time, without assumptions about anyone else's, I hope):

Par on a given hole is the expected score---the score we would expect an expert to get.
* This matches the PDGA...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 12:07 PM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
So you're the one that has me eating straw.

So you're the one that has me eating straw.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 10:58 AM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
The argument is that on a given hole, too many...

The argument is that on a given hole, too many players can score below par, so that par doesn't represent the expected score on that hole.

In fairness, the argument that total scores being far...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 10:35 AM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
That's a straw man. No one in this thread is...

That's a straw man. No one in this thread is arguing that it looks bad that pros are shooting way under par.

Personally, I don't think either looks bad.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 10:05 AM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
Your point that there's one hole here, perhaps...

Your point that there's one hole here, perhaps two, where par is not the "expected score", is certainly valid. I'm surprised---and better educated---that the PGA has such holes.

The averages, and...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2017, 09:50 AM
Replies: 1,211
Views: 46,219
Posted By DavidSauls
But....of the 3 examples MTL gave....98% of the...

But....of the 3 examples MTL gave....98% of the holes match what some of us are saying. "Par" is the "Expected Score". Birdies range from 5% to around 50%, or slightly more. (I wouldn't judge a...
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