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Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 11:43 PM
Replies: 3,698
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 409,509
Posted By Steve West
Discraft presents Sun King's Throw Down The...

Discraft presents Sun King's Throw Down The Mountain VII (Weekend 3)/Gran Canyon DGC/
FPO

A few pars could have been higher, but they're pretty close.
...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-23-2019, 03:34 PM
Replies: 3,698
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 409,509
Posted By Steve West
Save it for the Putt Talk thread, bub.

Save it for the Putt Talk thread, bub.
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-21-2019, 10:27 PM
Replies: 278
Views: 15,379
Posted By Steve West
Am I the only one who wants to see 17's basket...

Am I the only one who wants to see 17's basket moved to that piece of land where Simon's drive landed?
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-21-2019, 08:51 PM
Replies: 3,698
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 409,509
Posted By Steve West
The phrase is “the score that an expert disc...

The phrase is “the score that an expert disc golfer would be expected to make on a given hole with errorless play”. I choose a 1000-rated player as the expert. Not the whole group of 1000+ rated...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-21-2019, 07:38 PM
Replies: 3,698
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 409,509
Posted By Steve West
That's a good "approach" to setting par. ...

That's a good "approach" to setting par. Hahahaha!

Oh crap, I'm turning into Chuck.

Seriously, the distance varies by hole, but the farthest we can expect only 2 more throws is 165 feet on...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-21-2019, 12:08 PM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
From JoeyH in the Par Talk thread: "I do think...

From JoeyH in the Par Talk thread: "I do think par for the course is setup for the 950 player."

So, for legit Open players (those at or above the 970 recommended minimum rating for Open) the par...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-20-2019, 05:26 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,386
Posted By Steve West
So add it.

So add it.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-20-2019, 05:22 PM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
We can be 90% confident that getting a 2 on all...

We can be 90% confident that getting a 2 on all three of these holes at the same time has a probability of less than 0.02%.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-20-2019, 11:24 AM
Replies: 3,698
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 409,509
Posted By Steve West
I'll tell you what percentages my formula uses...

I'll tell you what percentages my formula uses for assigning a recommended par.

Par is the lowest value for which at least 75% of a sequence of experts throws are good enough to get par. That...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-19-2019, 03:33 PM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
There are a lot of different measures being...

There are a lot of different measures being talked about. Let me throw a few descriptions out there and open the floor for suggested jargon. Which one is "difficulty"? Or are they all various...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-18-2019, 10:58 PM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
I agree that the cash line does not set par. I...

I agree that the cash line does not set par. I agree they are not synonymous. No point being made. It's just kind of handy that they happen to occupy similar territory.

It's like a railroad...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-18-2019, 01:57 PM
Replies: 3,698
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 409,509
Posted By Steve West
(Technical note: we're discussing "FPO par", or...

(Technical note: we're discussing "FPO par", or "Pink par", not plain old unqualified par.)

The question of whether a hole is good or not is separate from what the par should be. Neither par 4...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-18-2019, 01:03 PM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
I think you mean: "the day they correctly label...

I think you mean: "the day they correctly label the already existing par 2s". As opposed to calling them must-get, deuce or die, not happy with a par on this hole, etc.

But don't worry too much. ...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-18-2019, 10:21 AM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
They did a good job with that. Of course, if...

They did a good job with that.

Of course, if par had been set correctly, GLO would have been -15 and WACO would have been -12 and we wouldn't need all this work and discussion to figure out which...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-17-2019, 03:51 PM
Replies: 121
Views: 5,077
Posted By Steve West
The pars are accurate for 950 rated players. ...

The pars are accurate for 950 rated players.

The course actually does a pretty good job of testing the skills of 970+ rated players.

All the course really needs is to use pars for 1000-rated...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-17-2019, 12:01 AM
Replies: 278
Views: 15,379
Posted By Steve West
Hole performances. No bad holes here; none with...

Hole performances. No bad holes here; none with correlations going the wrong way, and none with scoring spreads less than 2. (More up and right is more "good".)
...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-16-2019, 11:26 AM
Replies: 278
Views: 15,379
Posted By Steve West
If there is more than one eagle on a hole, that...

If there is more than one eagle on a hole, that hole’s par is almost certainly too high.

One way to get 2 under properly set par is to make a single throw was as good as three errorless throws by...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-15-2019, 11:20 PM
Replies: 278
Views: 15,379
Posted By Steve West
Maybe the values will be tripled for the 3rd...

Maybe the values will be tripled for the 3rd round, like on Family Feud.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-14-2019, 12:41 PM
Replies: 92
Views: 5,354
Posted By Steve West
Another downside is that the TD sometimes has to...

Another downside is that the TD sometimes has to figure out who "Slik", "Frame", "House", "Chainsaw", and "Tick" are.
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-14-2019, 11:32 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 1,947
Posted By Steve West
Let me clarify my position. I'm not saying a...

Let me clarify my position. I'm not saying a scorecard playoff is worse than other non-play forms of tie-breaking. I'm saying it's not any better than any others - from an information theory...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-14-2019, 11:20 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 1,947
Posted By Steve West
(Read it again in James Earl Jones' voice.) ...

(Read it again in James Earl Jones' voice.)

I identified the issues:

1. Double-counting specific subsets from two sets of data with equal value adds zero information to answer the question of...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-13-2019, 03:03 PM
Replies: 76
Views: 1,947
Posted By Steve West
Don't be too proud of this technical argument...

Don't be too proud of this technical argument you've constructed. The ability to destroy a hole is insignificant next to the power of the score.
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 03-13-2019, 09:49 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 1,947
Posted By Steve West
That’s actually a good question. You would think...

That’s actually a good question. You would think it would be the same mathematically.

One reason is that the players were not pursuing a strategy of winning THAT (or those) holes at the time. ...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 03-08-2019, 08:58 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 1,050
Posted By Steve West
Getting players to know rules that don't seem...

Getting players to know rules that don't seem intuitive is difficult. An element of inferring intent is a worthy trade-off, compared to making a long list of natural and inconsequential actions...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 03-06-2019, 09:53 PM
Replies: 116
Views: 10,506
Posted By Steve West
Yes. Her group can.

Yes. Her group can.
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