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Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 07-05-2019, 06:22 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
As I said a few hundred pages ago, the question...

As I said a few hundred pages ago, the question should not be focused on whether par is doing its job. The issue has always been whether the design of a hole creates a scoring distribution where a...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 07-11-2018, 05:16 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 1,748
Posted By gdub58
Cabin Creek is only open on holidays, so unless...

Cabin Creek is only open on holidays, so unless you have some special connection that's likely out.

Although there are a lot of courses in the immediate area, I would suggest:
- Mt. Airy
-...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 06-16-2018, 02:39 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I'm sure there have been holes that have changed...

I'm sure there have been holes that have changed par, but I can't imagine doing so without a design change. I can see moving a tee up on a short par 4 and making it a par 3 - they wouldn't just...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-27-2018, 04:50 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Top level tournaments are more frequently being...

Top level tournaments are more frequently being held on temp courses, which allows course design to be better aligned with an intended par. These layouts make changes much easier, and as such I...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2018, 11:39 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
That's all well and good, but I think it's rare...

That's all well and good, but I think it's rare for the data to show that a hole that was assigned a par of four would play as a good par three. Let's start with "this hole played too easy/too...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2018, 11:21 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I thought our discussion was focused on pars for...

I thought our discussion was focused on pars for high level tournament play. I don't think anyone cares what pars you assign at the local pitch & putt.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2018, 06:26 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I detect just a slight whiff of sarcasm, but I'll...

I detect just a slight whiff of sarcasm, but I'll play along...

Quite the contrary based on this year's data - 36% of the time there was something other than a par, and birdies outnumbered bogeys...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-25-2018, 06:07 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Private courses will make changes mostly based...

Private courses will make changes mostly based upon the wishes of their boards. When I was 14 I worked for a greenskeeper who had to cut down a perfectly healthy tree because too many members were...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-24-2018, 12:42 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
It's not about the scoring data - it's purely a...

It's not about the scoring data - it's purely a distance thing. If a green can be reached by the average golfer in two shots it's a par four.

You are absolutely correct that we can't use the...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-24-2018, 12:16 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
1) That depends on how the course is to be used....

1) That depends on how the course is to be used. If the course being designed has hopes of being used for a tournament, the architect will leave plenty of room to include longer tees and will include...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-24-2018, 10:41 AM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Pars haven't improved - hole design has improved....

Pars haven't improved - hole design has improved. While this results in having more holes with assigned pars that are more in line with expectations, I think it is a reach to attribute this change...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-17-2018, 12:24 AM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Ball golf has much higher score separation. Ball...

Ball golf has much higher score separation. Ball golf handicaps generally range from 0 to 36 (pros will have "plus" handicaps). If we use a rule of thumb that a throw in disc golf is worth 10...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-17-2018, 12:10 AM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Golf has handicapping to allow different skill...

Golf has handicapping to allow different skill levels to play against each other. If my handicap is 5 and yours is 15, then we could compete in stroke play (I'm giving you 5 a side or 10 for the...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 02-27-2018, 05:13 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Innova course #3 is, for me, one of those holes...

Innova course #3 is, for me, one of those holes where the current definition of par doesn't work so well. Hopefully we would agree that errorless play by an expert on this hole would result in a two...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 02-01-2018, 05:24 PM
Replies: 42
Views: 5,696
Posted By gdub58
Memories

My son and I started playing together at Turtlecreek. I have played more rounds at that course than I have at any other and it holds lots of great memories.

The 2009 Turtlecreek Open was my first...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 06-07-2017, 08:24 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I don’t like your qualifier of “will relate to...

I don’t like your qualifier of “will relate to real outcomes”, as I find that to be an issue with Steve’s system as a method of determining par. If your mandate is that if, after a tournament we...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-16-2017, 04:04 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Straw man. What does that have to do...

Straw man.



What does that have to do with anything? If a basketball hoop was 30 feet off the ground instead of 10 it would be harder to make baskets, but that is not relevant to the assertion...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-05-2017, 01:14 AM
Replies: 109
Views: 24,273
Posted By gdub58
I don't think it is reasonable to single out one...

I don't think it is reasonable to single out one person who is not paying just because he is doing it more often than other people.

If you have the ability to close the course by installing a...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-01-2017, 11:24 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I get it - really I do. Whether we use the...

I get it - really I do. Whether we use the "errorless expert" standard or the "two throws from close range" standard it is a par three. I still prefer a system that has some additional flexibility...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-01-2017, 11:09 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Why do you insist on trying to explain the same...

Why do you insist on trying to explain the same thing over and over? I know Steve's analysis is based on a 1000 rated player, and I've not suggested using a different standard. But, when I or anyone...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-01-2017, 10:56 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
Why do you insist on calling it a bad par if it...

Why do you insist on calling it a bad par if it doesn't conform with your definition? Even if it is a par four, a pro will know he is losing a stroke to the field if he doesn't get a three - calling...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-01-2017, 07:16 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I think one of the issues I have is with Steve is...

I think one of the issues I have is with Steve is him saying that, by crunching the numbers and pointing to the nebulous pdga definition, every hole has an established accurate par. And, even on a...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 04-29-2017, 10:13 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I understand your method, but I don't necessarily...

I understand your method, but I don't necessarily agree with how you set pars. I think there are lots of par three holes - on one end of the scale are those that are really easy for the expert to...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 04-29-2017, 09:44 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
No, I think it's clear what most of them expected...

No, I think it's clear what most of them expected to get. Depending on the hole, some subset of those 1000+ rated players may expect a two because they have the distance to make that expectation...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 04-29-2017, 05:33 PM
Replies: 3,963
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 458,338
Posted By gdub58
I'm not a fan of any measure that can't...

I'm not a fan of any measure that can't reasonably applied across all tournament settings. While ratings do this, I don't think we can expect TDs to create this point of reference for all...
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