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Forum: Course Design Today, 07:56 PM
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Posted By DavidSauls
Hard to say. But the long version gives the...

Hard to say. But the long version gives the course some added variety. And par 4s, even tweener 3/4s, have players making that long second shot that they can't groove, like a tee shot, because it's...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 03:19 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 970
Posted By DavidSauls
Oh, we'll find something, I'm sure.

Oh, we'll find something, I'm sure.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 01:32 PM
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Views: 970
Posted By DavidSauls
It's because of people like you that they keeping...

It's because of people like you that they keeping making those things!

No, just kidding. I co-own a small disc store, with hundreds of model/plastic combinations from a half-dozen manufacturers...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 08:57 AM
Replies: 33
Views: 970
Posted By DavidSauls
WAS. I think that's the word you meant to...

WAS.

I think that's the word you meant to use.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 08:57 AM
Replies: 33
Views: 970
Posted By DavidSauls
Yes. But it flies so badly, you might wish it...

Yes. But it flies so badly, you might wish it would sink. I was trying one out once, and lost in in some deep woods. I was left with a nagging guilt that someone would find it, and try to play...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 08:41 AM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Among the more humorous straw men in the recent...

Among the more humorous straw men in the recent posts is the one claiming the main reason for making par more useful and sensible is to better optics for future sponsors, in an attempt to emulate...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses Today, 08:16 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
This. Plus the fact that privately-owned P2P...

This.

Plus the fact that privately-owned P2P courses are paid for by someone other than the players, too.

Oh, the players pay part of the load. But if you're paying $5 or $10 to play on a golf...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Today, 07:42 AM
Replies: 33
Views: 970
Posted By DavidSauls
Except the Dragon.

Except the Dragon.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 03:14 PM
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Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Ah, c'mon, you have to envy golf a little bit. ...

Ah, c'mon, you have to envy golf a little bit. After all, they have a system of par that reflects how their game is played, and gives them a benchmark of whether a hole was played well or poorly. ...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-15-2017, 11:01 PM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Ah, if only the EES had caught on. As those...

Ah, if only the EES had caught on.

As those of you who've memorized this entire thread will no doubt remember, I proposed the EES, or Expert Expected Score, to be used in disc golf instead of...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-15-2017, 10:53 PM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Par 2s fall in the category of "tough par"...

Par 2s fall in the category of "tough par" holes---as with par 3s and even par 4s where there is more danger of a bogey, and losing a stroke to the field, than opportunity to birdie and gain a...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-15-2017, 12:01 PM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Man, I hate to do it, but I have to admit that I...

Man, I hate to do it, but I have to admit that I was dead wrong.

Way back when, I laid the blame on the ambiguous phrase "close range"---and the troublesome "two throws from close range" that...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-15-2017, 11:51 AM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Or whisper that we "expect" players to get a 2 on...

Or whisper that we "expect" players to get a 2 on those holes.

But with the rulebook closed, of course, lest anyone accuse us that of whispering about par.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-15-2017, 10:10 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
One P2P course in my state once charged a player...

One P2P course in my state once charged a player extra for his non-playing son, who was, I don't know, about 8 years old, and just going to walk with Dad. The furor got back to the local scene, in...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-15-2017, 08:23 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
Thanks. I'd had 2 hours sleep in the previous 40...

Thanks. I'd had 2 hours sleep in the previous 40 hours, and somehow managed to cut some sentences and paste them randomly, elsewhere. I'd correct it, but it's a thread drift---Flyboy was and is,...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-14-2017, 10:55 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
Somehow some sentences got scrambled and put in...

Somehow some sentences got scrambled and put in the wrong paragraphs there. Possibly user error on my part. Darned edit window.

The first paragraph is supposed to say that I'm sure someone knows...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-14-2017, 10:54 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
Though a few folks have dreamed of a Disc Golf...

Though a few folks have dreamed of a Disc Golf Country Club, I think the model others hope to follow is less like golf, and more like other activities---a pay-to-play athletic venue. Of course,...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-14-2017, 10:49 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
A combination of several factors. This story...

A combination of several factors. This story should be about 90% accurate; I'm sure some Which, of course, takes a lot more of his limited time.

It's hard to describe Flyboy, because it has an...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-14-2017, 02:26 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
We now get enough donations to cover expenses,...

We now get enough donations to cover expenses, and improvements. Haven't put any money into our pockets---but no longer have to take money out of them, which is a good thing.

Unless you count...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-14-2017, 01:36 PM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
It's irrelevant, but it matters?

It's irrelevant, but it matters?
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-14-2017, 12:16 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
A public course might have a very low threshold...

A public course might have a very low threshold for "success"---to take in more money than the cost of taking in that money. All the rest of the expenses are the same as if it were free to play.
...
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-14-2017, 12:04 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
The Flyboy situation was a bit...

The Flyboy situation was a bit different....though some poorly-behaved, rules-ignoring disc golfers contributed to it, too.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 12-13-2017, 11:06 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,813
Posted By DavidSauls
One question would be, how do you define...

One question would be, how do you define "economically viable"? I'm assuming it doesn't include the land costs. Does it include a profit---or enough profit to earn the owner a comfortable living...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-13-2017, 10:52 PM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
Of course it means a Par 2. If an expert would...

Of course it means a Par 2. If an expert would be expected to get a 2, that's not a "birdie" or die....it's par. Per the definition.

Or will be in 19 days.

Whether it's a good hole or...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 12-13-2017, 04:15 PM
Replies: 2,131
Views: 185,383
Posted By DavidSauls
I don't think there'll be a right combination. ...

I don't think there'll be a right combination. We shape our courses to match the land, and don't have the resources golf has to shape the land. Moreover, one of the pleasures of disc golf is the...
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