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Forum: General Disc Golf Chat Yesterday, 01:29 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 3,088
Posted By Steve West
I'd go with average round rating.

I'd go with average round rating.
Forum: Course Design 05-13-2022, 02:30 PM
Replies: 35
Views: 776
Posted By Steve West
Probably yes to both. But I try to avoid...

Probably yes to both. But I try to avoid thinking about a better ratings system. Especially not by looking at one flaw at a time. Any better system would need a comprehensive,...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-12-2022, 11:42 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
Player rating. And lower variance would be...

Player rating.

And lower variance would be higher luck.
Forum: Disc Golf Courses 05-12-2022, 11:40 PM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,202
Posted By Steve West
Too many of the UDisc "courses" are just...

Too many of the UDisc "courses" are just someone's idea of spots where tees and targets could go in some park.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-12-2022, 02:11 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
-1 0 1 1 1025 1003 991 2 1013 1000 994 ...

-1 0 1
1 1025 1003 991
2 1013 1000 994
3 1016 1002 992
4 1004 1002 994
5 1006 1000 993
6 1014 1004 996
7 1012 1004 995
8 1012 1000 992
9 1009 1000 993
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-12-2022, 12:03 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
I don't think there is much to this. The average...

I don't think there is much to this. The average ratings have more to do with who is in the pool than who the course was designed for.

I calculated it anyway for 2021 MVP Open, because Steve...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-11-2022, 12:24 AM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
It's too late at night to process all of this,...

It's too late at night to process all of this, but what makes you think anyone is changing the definition of par? Do you have another older actual official definition you found somewhere?

Or...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-08-2022, 07:01 PM
Replies: 1,172
Views: 184,108
Posted By Steve West
I think the single best indicator of what rating...

I think the single best indicator of what rating most people will give a course is how many throws it takes to compete it.

With the corollary: If that's not your criteria, you're a wuss.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-07-2022, 10:12 AM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
Is it though? I think everyone knows how far...

Is it though? I think everyone knows how far they can throw. If they know the hole length, they don't need par to figure out whether they can get their drive to the target.




A target...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-05-2022, 07:58 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
Good points. I am focused on getting par to...

Good points. I am focused on getting par to where it should be for top competition. From there, the effects should trickle down to make par somewhat better at all levels: the best possible for MPO...
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 05-05-2022, 02:38 PM
Replies: 278
Views: 13,867
Posted By Steve West
Performance Tracks for all rounds. ...

Performance Tracks for all rounds.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=76970&stc=1&d=1651775860...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-05-2022, 10:06 AM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
Why do people want to count birdies? To see how...

Why do people want to count birdies? To see how much they are gaining on the field.

How many people will gain a throw on the field on this hole? Virtually none.

So, now you've set par in a...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-04-2022, 10:00 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
This contains the fundamental misconception...

This contains the fundamental misconception fueling your viewpoint.

You said: "The par values should...". Everyone else thinks: "The holes should...".
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-04-2022, 09:03 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
I apologize.

I apologize.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-03-2022, 07:09 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
For those who wonder how CK can come up with this...

For those who wonder how CK can come up with this stuff, remember that the pre-definition idea of "Par = Reach+2" is ossified into his brain. That's the starting point and ending point for all his...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-03-2022, 02:17 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
We'll set aside (for the moment) that "one throw...

We'll set aside (for the moment) that "one throw higher" messes up the very idea and usefulness of par, and just point out we're gonna need your definition of errorless anyway.
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-03-2022, 12:11 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
There are a lot of obsolete 14-foot satellite...

There are a lot of obsolete 14-foot satellite dishes out there in rural Kansas. I'm thinking put one of those behind the target so the target is at the focal point of the parabola.
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 05-03-2022, 12:04 PM
Replies: 22
Views: 1,071
Posted By Steve West
That is correct. But... In this case...

That is correct.

But...

In this case the fence bends away from the target just forward of the point the caddie jumped over it. It doesn't show on the map, but it is clear from the drone...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-03-2022, 09:22 AM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
Everyone who cares is probably here. Let's give...

Everyone who cares is probably here. Let's give it a go.

Maybe we can find a phrase made of words that spell check recognizes.

Golf just says "expert play" which doesn't seem helpful. Also,...
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 05-03-2022, 08:45 AM
Replies: 22
Views: 1,071
Posted By Steve West
There is a frame where you can see his lie and...

There is a frame where you can see his lie and the basket and the fence. You can see that the line from the target to his 1-meter-in mini is basically parallel to the fence. Another player actually...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-02-2022, 08:52 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
Not a par issue. Par should continue to be the...

Not a par issue. Par should continue to be the expected score with errorless play across all formats - whether different or not.

What will happen is that the plethora of over-par scores from...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-02-2022, 07:16 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
I reject as baseless your leap from "par needs to...

I reject as baseless your leap from "par needs to be adjusted" to "it's a different game that needs its own rating". As for the rest:


There is probably a theoretical a point where an OB...
Forum: General Disc Golf Chat 05-02-2022, 06:53 PM
Replies: 4,511
Poll: Par Talk
Views: 639,524
Posted By Steve West
On this topic, no. There's probably some...

On this topic, no.

There's probably some stuff in the Hole and Course Performance Statistics thread in Disc Golf Courses in General Disc Golf Discussions that didn't make it to my website.
Forum: Tournaments & Leagues 05-02-2022, 06:49 PM
Replies: 278
Views: 13,867
Posted By Steve West
You would need to offset the differences in...

You would need to offset the differences in player groups.

For example, FPO had a difference of 73 ratings points over 25 finalists, while MPO had a difference of just 54 points over 50 finalists....
Forum: Rules Questions & Discussion 05-02-2022, 06:33 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 712
Posted By Steve West
So that Spanish moss tickling your hair should be...

So that Spanish moss tickling your hair should be a supporting point?
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