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Old 03-30-2013, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BionicRib View Post
Here is a good definition of OAT I found by Bradley Walker.

"Of axis torque
this is the condition that results from the hand not perfectly
tracking around the nose
within the plane of the disc into the extremely powerful snap. Think of the top if you wrapped the string
askew at some odd angle. The harder the string is pulled the more wobble will be induced."
Excellent! Thanks for posting this. It really helps me for the first time understand the axis of the torque that the "OAT" is referring to which is off-axis from the ideal. Very helpful. That explanation is really the first thing that has clicked with me this whole thread in this regard.....I am probably a little dense in picking up the concept if others have tried getting the same point across in different terms.

That said, I think it is those who have the concept of a disc obtaining its spin the same way as a top are the ones that over-inflate the impact of OAT. Interesting that SW22 posted this right after yours:

Originally Posted by sidewinder22 View Post
Yeah, I was gonna say part your issue with this concept probably has to with your disc throwing theory. There is no way to throw without oat,...... The goal of throwing is not to spin it, but it's to leverage it to its home.
If I have time, I will make a quick youtube video explaining my take on BionicRib's explanation.....and why I still think OAT is a misdiagnosis of what it going on: I still do not think the Torque of OAT carries into the flight....rather it is the motion of the levers (all the moving body parts) leading up to the release that really matters.

At the end of the day, I believe that the result of OAT in the planes of the levers have the same effect on the flight as people claiming tourque imparted on the disc like BionicRib adeptly says: I am now "able to coexist with the word OAT."

.....OK, OAT is not a stupid term like I put in the thread's title. Misleading, but not stupid.
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