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View Poll Results: Is OAT always bad?
Yes. Avoid OAT at all costs. 15 15.63%
No. Intentional OAT is an essential part of a complete player's game. 81 84.38%
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jongoff09 View Post
Notroman and I are on the same page. ^^
Sounds like my impressions too.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:42 AM
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Here is a shot I put a small amount of OAT on.

(hope that works, I'm on my iPad so I can't tell, the throw starts around 30sec mark)

I started my pull on a hyzer line, but my follow-through shows that I came flat with a little roll at the end. The disc still came out with hyzer, so the wrist roll just delayed the disc from turning left. Worked out as planned as that particular shot ended up flying right over the basket.

It wasn't my idea to shoot the video from that angle...

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Old 02-24-2013, 01:48 AM
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:47 AM
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I OAT my spike hyzers. Roll under as opposed to over. Makes the disc act more stable and gives a more up-and-down flight.

Sometimes I put too much on it; it goes sideways then.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chickenonabun View Post
some shots you just can't throw without OAT.

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by notroman View Post
OAT doesn't always wobble. Assuming you have enough spin on a disc to stabilize it, you won't see any wobble.
Every disc always wobbles at release. With realy clean form it's just too little wobble to be seen by the naked eye. But nobody can release a disc wobble free. Nobody.

Spin will stabilise the disc quicker, but that does not change the fact that there was wobble to begin with.
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There's different forms of oat, what jenb is describing is more of nose manipulation or pitching attitude. The problem that noobs have with oat is that they have so much of it and don't know what a clean swing plane is or have good swing mechanics.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jenb View Post
I sepnt part of today in field practice seeing what different discs do when I torque them. There have always been a lot of wooded lines that I've wondered how to hit. I always thought others were able to hyzer flip something that I can't get up to speed, but now I can see how intentional OAT with a stable or overstable disc could be useful.
Try rolling under with understable discs, too. You can get some long hyzers that way.
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This is something I know I have done while changing my mind mid throw, "****, too much hyzer!" and I level out on the release and the results are... hyzer for 100', looking like a bad shot, and then a surprise turn and hitting the gap I wanted with the usual fade. Very different from a bad pull that comes out wobbly, turning and slowing quickly.

I think most players learn with this mechanic, torquing their Wraiths/Destroyers/Bosses. They don't know they're doing it or how to control it. They then need to unlearn it to get the fundamental mechanics down, and then relearn it later as an advanced technique.

I'm somewhere in the middle there and I won't be trying to do this on purpose anytime soon. Though I do "corkscrew" my upshots sometimes to twist around trees, putter control over 70' is a lot different than driver control over hundreds of feet.
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That's too complicated for me, and I have enough OAT problems as is.
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