Breaking Bad Timing Habit

[Melonhusk]

Originally Posted by oldmandiscer

The thing I see is that you could delay your turn back longer, try looking at the target while your weight is on your left foot in the X-step. It's only a fraction longer then you are, but will delay your shoulders coming forward "early" and give your hips/weight shift time to power up into the throw. Getting that rubber band effect of turning the shoulders back while the weight shift and hips power forward.

I could see you getting another 50 feet if you get into better timing.

Yeah, that's what I find hardest for sure. I can tell when it happens; the disc either squibs out of my hand or goes way right. I've never had much luck with a swing thought like "delay"; that always seems to get me stuck leaned too far back, like instead of delaying just the swing I delay everything. It seems like I've done better with a cue to move into the plant quicker instead. But that feels super uncomfortable, and I very rarely get it right. I do think SW's tip to get taller on my right leg helped in that regard, though - I felt like I was being propelled quicker down the teepad. Thanks for the advice, though! I don't know if I've tried specifically to look at the target while on my left foot, I'll give that a go next time.

[sidewinder22]

Still bending your rear knee into anterior pelvic tilt. Your knee is way over your toes instead of stacking more over ankle. Your knee motion is almost backwards from Doss. Note how stacked and balanced and relaxed Doss is on the rear foot and knee turns back away and extends pushing/driving rear hip/butt targetward "from behind". Your rear knee is pinching in and can't turn your rear hip/butt to target.

In Buttwipe Drill, do not bend your knees to put butt on wall, you need to shift your center of gravity back toward your heels to put butt on wall like falling on butt or sitting.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=139973

[Melonhusk]

Woof, yikes. Did not even notice how much I was bending my back leg inwards and not shifting from behind. I have noticed the anterior pelvic tilt; I’m not sure if that’s something that I can correct in my swing intentionally (I’ve tried before but been confused) or if it’s something I need to do exercises for, like that last video you posted. I sit all day for my job, and have occasional lower back pain so I’m guessing it’s the latter. Unless, is there something you do intentionally to have a more neutral pelvic tilt? Or does it just come naturally?

As for that back leg issue it looks like taking my focus off of shifting from behind for one week led to that aspect of the throw falling apart. Too many fires to put out!

I think this idea:

you need to shift your center of gravity back toward your heels to put butt on wall like falling on butt or sitting.

has been tough for me. I know this isn’t what you mean, but when I try to put that thought into action it leads to me knee slamming off my back leg. That’s clearly not what Doss is doing, he’s staying on his toes/insteps (until he plants), but I can see his weight is more back. It’s tough for me to be towards my heels but not on them! Thanks as always.

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by Melonhusk

Woof, yikes. Did not even notice how much I was bending my back leg inwards and not shifting from behind. I have noticed the anterior pelvic tilt; I’m not sure if that’s something that I can correct in my swing intentionally (I’ve tried before but been confused) or if it’s something I need to do exercises for, like that last video you posted. I sit all day for my job, and have occasional lower back pain so I’m guessing it’s the latter. Unless, is there something you do intentionally to have a more neutral pelvic tilt? Or does it just come naturally?

As for that back leg issue it looks like taking my focus off of shifting from behind for one week led to that aspect of the throw falling apart. Too many fires to put out!

I think this idea:


has been tough for me. I know this isn’t what you mean, but when I try to put that thought into action it leads to me knee slamming off my back leg. That’s clearly not what Doss is doing, he’s staying on his toes/insteps (until he plants), but I can see his weight is more back. It’s tough for me to be towards my heels but not on them! Thanks as always.

I think it's more a balance issue causing your posture issue to react to out-of-balance condition.

I would say knee slamming is better direction to move toward, and you might also be feeling or seeing something that ain't real, or maybe some other issue leading a knee slam like tight hips or balance.

[Melonhusk]

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

I think it's more a balance issue causing your posture issue to react to out-of-balance condition.

I would say knee slamming is better direction to move toward, and you might also be feeling or seeing something that ain't real, or maybe some other issue leading a knee slam like tight hips or balance.

I see, I did some of the tests in the golf pelvic tilt video and as far as I can tell I actually have ok pelvic mobility. My core might be a bit weak, but I had no problem "spilling the water" in either direction and I found that just engaging my core and obliques during the backswing created a different feeling, so maybe that's all I need.

As for knee slamming, that's good to know and I'll try that. The issue I ran into was when I focused on maxing out back leg extension I would roll off my heel like Brian Earheart or latter day Will, but those were also on practice swings, not full speed swings; if I tried full speed my body might do something different with that swing thought. We'll see! Thanks again.

[Melonhusk]

I was trying out a new "feel" for my shoulder and arm the other day; I've been frustrated with my shoulder for so long, how it always seems to pop up around my ear no matter what I try, and I figured there must be something fundamental I just wasn't getting. This new feeling made the throw feel like the disc was being squeezed through a tube, popping out at the end with what felt like more force than usual. It also seemed to make my balance better; I always finished either over my plant leg or stepping off to the right. It's definitely different, and I think it might be better. I was focusing on that so much that my x steps were pretty bad. I also couldn't figure out how to reach back high while still having this new feel, and it all just felt a little herky jerky and awkward.

I put some forehands in there too, I've been working on them but not seeing a ton of improvement over time, the same issues just seem to come up again and again. Right now I'm having a lot of trouble throwing drivers, they seem to slip out early all the time.

[sidewinder22]

1. Keep your rear knee forward of the rear ankle.

2. Swing your front shoulder back behind your rear knee. You need to hinge forward/relax at your rear hip to allow the shoulder to swing back. Your rear hip is extended pushing your shoulder/s over the top your hips.

[Melonhusk]

Ah, yeah I see what you mean. I know the feeling you're talking about, but I never thought about it as relaxing that rear hip, that's helpful. I think I'm often susceptible to that when throwing anhyzers, like I'm trying to do in the left panel above - I think because I'm telling myself to "lean back". When I hinge over like you say, I feel like I'm setting up to throw a hyzer, so I feel like I have to do something extra to get the right angle - but in the right panel your posture looks like you're set up to throw flat-anhyzer, and I can still see the hinge. Anyway, thanks!

[Nick Pacific]

Originally Posted by oldmandiscer

The thing I see is that you could delay your turn back longer, try looking at the target while your weight is on your left foot in the X-step. It's only a fraction longer then you are, but will delay your shoulders coming forward "early" and give your hips/weight shift time to power up into the throw. Getting that rubber band effect of turning the shoulders back while the weight shift and hips power forward.

I could see you getting another 50 feet if you get into better timing.

I agree with this. One more thing that I would mention that has helped me with timing tremendously is late acceleration.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=112483

If you're having trouble with your timing one of the common problems is that you're accelerating too early and fast in your throw which is causing your momentum and therefore shoulders to plow forward way to early. Late acceleration will help with your timing.

[Melonhusk]

Originally Posted by Nick Pacific

I agree with this. One more thing that I would mention that has helped me with timing tremendously is late acceleration.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=112483

If you're having trouble with your timing one of the common problems is that you're accelerating too early and fast in your throw which is causing your momentum and therefore shoulders to plow forward way to early. Late acceleration will help with your timing.

Yeah, whenever I'm struggling with late releases it seems like this is at the root of it.





The power was mostly there I think, but man did I have a lot of early releases. I caught myself a few times getting too much over my toes, failing to do this:

In Buttwipe Drill, do not bend your knees to put butt on wall, you need to shift your center of gravity back toward your heels to put butt on wall like falling on butt or sitting.

but towards the end of the round, I think I was pretty much just gassed and I was late releasing everything. Then I tried a few times to get a good drive on the finishing hole and pulled everything, trying too hard.