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Old 04-03-2017, 03:07 PM
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Default Thoughts on utility disc putters and their definition?

I've started up a putter league and want to steer the disc choices away from utility discs like the Zone. I want it to be about shaping lines with a putter, not pulling off trick shots with skips, overhands, rollers, etc. Something like a Wizard or Aviar is what I have in mind for people to use.

While I know ratings and whatnot can be very subjective, I'm using the inbounddiscgolf site as a reference, because I want some sort of unbiased source to define where the cutoff lies. The best way I've come up with to do that is sort by Putt & Approach Disc Type, then Net (greatest to least). My ideal cutoff would be anything with greater Net fade than a Wizard (31%) would be out. However, looking at the long list of putters with 36% Net fade, I see very little in that list which I would characterize as a utility disc. Above that, though, starting with the JOKERi, is where discs venture into the utility disc range.

I don't want to just pick and choose known utility discs, because then people start saying, "Well, I can do the same thing with a champing Rhyno!", etc. What do you think? Is this a fair way to approach this?
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Old 04-03-2017, 03:18 PM
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Why do you want to limit what people do with their putters? I can see having fun with putter only rounds, but people are pretty picky when it comes to what they throw. Not to mention, some people beat their Zones and Breakers to straight or even understable. Is that still utility?

If you really want to limit the group to line shaping, pick a single mold that everyone must play with, such as an Envy or Pure.
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Or make it a putt and a approach thing. Everyone plays with two putters. One putting and one for throwing. As long as theyre both in the putter class.
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If you really want to limit the group to line shaping, pick a single mold that everyone must play with, such as an Envy or Pure.
That was what occurred to me, though I was thinking have three molds to choose from. Perhaps the Pure, the P2, and the Wizard. Or others, but you (plural) get the idea.
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Why do you want to limit what people do with their putters? I can see having fun with putter only rounds, but people are pretty picky when it comes to what they throw. Not to mention, some people beat their Zones and Breakers to straight or even understable. Is that still utility?

If you really want to limit the group to line shaping, pick a single mold that everyone must play with, such as an Envy or Pure.
I want to eliminate utility discs because that's the vision I have for the league. I want to learn to throw putters better, on more lines with greater confidence. The sort of people I'd like to come out are the people who would like to do the same.

I'm not interested in restricting the list that much, to a single mold. No one who throws Aviars is going to want to go get a Wizard for the league, that doesn't help them learn to throw their Aviar any better.
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Not going to make everyone happy. I'd choose a putter from each manufacturer to make a list of approved putters. Cite DGCR if asked "why is this one on the list but that one isn't?"

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Or make it a putt and a approach thing. Everyone plays with two putters. One putting and one for throwing. As long as theyre both in the putter class.
That's basically what I've done thus far. You bring 2 discs, can be different molds. Unfortunately, the direction many people have already gone is towards one being utility disc, the other a more standard putter. The argument can, and has, been made that everyone can go the same route. The problem is...that's not what I want the league to be.
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Not going to make everyone happy. I'd choose a putter from each manufacturer to make a list of approved putters. Cite DGCR if asked "why is this one on the list but that one isn't?"
I still feel that's too limiting. Restricting a couple dozen discs out of 170+, however, still feels like a pretty open field to me.
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That league doesn't sound like much fun.

If I want to practice on form I'm not going to spend money to do so.

I truly don't mean to be rude, but restricting what people throw to the point where they may have to throw molds they don't enjoy or may have to buy themselves just doesn't jive with me. I wish you luck, though. Hopefully you find a solid group of people to join in.

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So, you're trying to get rid of OS putters because they are too much like drivers, right? Because throwing a Jokeri or something super OS isn't the same form work you get with a neutral putter like an Aviar?

As was mentioned, it's going to be very difficult to eliminate molds due to the beat-ness of them. I have a beat up basic Jokeri that I guarantee is flippier than a new SSS Wizard.

Sounds to me like you have to go all or nothing here. Either all putters are game, or it's a very sort list of approved ones (like 1, or 2).

I also think you are overstating the utility uses of those putters. How many folks are going to go to a putter only league and throw a ton of rollers, scoobs, grenades, and skip shots?
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