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Old 04-30-2019, 05:16 PM
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And players whose ratings have not stabilized yet are generally rated below their actual play. That is a recipe for deflation. I wonder to what degree the two cancel one another out.
What's considered stabilized? What about the older players in decline? What about players ratings being different on different types of courses?
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:45 PM
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What's considered stabilized? What about the older players in decline? What about players ratings being different on different types of courses?
All considerations as well. My contention is that players improve more rapidly than they decline (barring injury) and that there are more improving players than declining ones. Player ratings differing from course to course is obviously a thing but i don't know that it is germane to this particular question.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:08 PM
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Player ratings differing from course to course is obviously a thing but i don't know that it is germane to this particular question.
The courses and discs and baskets have significantly changed since Climo's prime.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:30 AM
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Climo has been in the PDGA Hall of Fame for 24 years. McBeth can go visit it.

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Old 05-08-2019, 01:48 PM
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Climo has been in the PDGA Hall of Fame for 24 years. McBeth can go visit it.
I mean, its absurd to think that McBeth wont be in the Hall of Fame. He arguably already deserves it. Like him or not, he is helping to explode the popularity and improve the image of our sport. And I can almost guarantee he has another World Championship or two left in him.
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Old 05-08-2019, 04:03 PM
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I mean, its absurd to think that McBeth wont be in the Hall of Fame. He arguably already deserves it. Like him or not, he is helping to explode the popularity and improve the image of our sport. And I can almost guarantee he has another World Championship or two left in him.
I wasn't arguing that Paul won't be in the HOF, just pointing out one of the accomplishments Ken has earned that Paul has not (yet). Ken also has twice as many career wins and 11 Player of the Year awards to 3 for Paul. Just sayin.

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Old 05-09-2019, 12:53 PM
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Ken also has twice as many career wins and 11 Player of the Year awards to 3 for Paul. Just sayin.
I got back and watch old Worlds vids and his competition is a joke minus one or two people. A lot harder to win Player of the Year these days, I would think. Wins would also be harder to come across when golfing against other 1030+ rated golfers. How many different 1030 rated golfers did Climo ever have to beat?

Climo is the greatest ever, PM is the best ever.

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Old 05-09-2019, 01:51 PM
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I got back and watch old Worlds vids and his competition is a joke minus one or two people. A lot harder to win Player of the Year these days, I would think. Wins would also be harder to come across when golfing against other 1030+ rated golfers. How many different 1030 rated golfers did Climo ever have to beat?

Climo is the greatest ever, PM is the best ever.
I agree. I recently watched the 2001 USDGC on youtube and the lead card is Barry, Ken, and people with about 325' max power.

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I got back and watch old Worlds vids and his competition is a joke minus one or two people. A lot harder to win Player of the Year these days, I would think. Wins would also be harder to come across when golfing against other 1030+ rated golfers. How many different 1030 rated golfers did Climo ever have to beat?

Climo is the greatest ever, PM is the best ever.
The competition today is much tougher than it was 15 to 20 years ago. I look back and see guys like Barry Schultz and maybe a Feldman (is he old enough to have gone that far back?) as Climo's toughest competition on a semi-regularly basis. Over time some of the courses have gotten a bit harder to play as well, especially the wooded courses as those trees continue to grow and new ones get bigger.

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GOAT or "best ever" discussions are an exercise in both opinion and value system at best......But if I were picking it'd be offensive player- J. Rice, defense - L. Taylor, QB - Elway.
Elway? Seriously?

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