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Old 01-07-2016, 09:56 AM
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So a few recent reviews of AZ courses and the time of year had me thinking and wondering if I should change my rating strategy. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I have no issues with how they review. Just curious what others think about this.

A couple questions.

Does a course that has very few trees but can be played year round, get a higher rating than you would normally give?

Does a course that's not playable year round/Snow get a lower rating than you would normally give?

Basically I was wondering if I am in the minority with these thoughts. I lived in Indiana most of my life and 4 years ago moved to AZ. If I compare the courses back home to these I feel I am not doing them justice.

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(I am by no means saying Fountain Hills is a 5, but how many points does it get for possibly being the best disc golf "Arena" we have to showcase our sport. Very viewer friendly, water hazards on most holes, beautiful scenery/ mountains surrounding it, Great tee pads and signage, and playable year round.)
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:14 AM
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(I am by no means saying Fountain Hills is a 5, but how many points does it get for possibly being the best disc golf "Arena" we have to showcase our sport. Very viewer friendly, water hazards on most holes, beautiful scenery/ mountains surrounding it, Great tee pads and signage, and playable year round.)
- Does a viewer friendly course play any differently than one that isn't viewer friendly?
- Are water hazards on most holes a good thing if you lose a lot of discs and the water in question is a wastewater retention pond that often smells funny?
- Does the course play any different if the beautiful scenery/mountains were instead say this, or this?
If a somewhat more challenging, but perhaps less scenic, less viewer friendly course went up in the Phoenix area and the Memorial decided to use it as a venue, would people hold Fountain Hills in such high regard?

Just some things to consider. I personally think a lot of reviewers on here overbloat ratings for things that are the facade features of a course and not its guts. But that's my opinion, and in the end a review is just that, a glorified opinion.

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Old 01-07-2016, 10:16 AM
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Take a look at that dupe's other course reviews from yesterday. He went nutz-o.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:25 AM
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A couple questions.

Does a course that has very few trees but can be played year round, get a higher rating than you would normally give?

Does a course that's not playable year round/Snow get a lower rating than you would normally give?

I don't think year round playability should factor into the course rating. For a rating/review to be helpful, it should be based on the course not when you can play it. It is helpful to note in a review if the park closes for the season.

When I am planning a discventure, I look at the reviews and ratings to help me figure out where to go. I want the reviews to be about the course design, maintenance, equipment, and to a lesser degree amenities.

However since the course rating is an average of all ratings, if a few people give the ratings a boost because it is open all year and don't detract for less than excellent design, those rating will balance out with the majority that rate the course for whst it is instead of when its open.
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Please explain why any course isn't playable year round, outside of baskets being pulled?
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There's no set rubric on how to review a course, and every reviewer will look at it through a different set of eyes.

I think what's really important is to keep in mind who your audience is. In most cases, I think reviews are written for the potential first-time visitor or passing traveler. Does year-round playability really matter to that person? Does a travelling player really care to read about factors such as weather conditions that apply to all courses in the area? If I'm going to Arizona for a winter disc golf trip to escape northern snow, I don't need a review to tell me that this particular course is snow free in February.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:33 AM
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However since the course rating is an average of all ratings, if a few people give the ratings a boost because it is open all year and don't detract for less than excellent design, those rating will balance out with the majority that rate the course for whst it is instead of when its open.
Pretty much this.

Rate it honestly based on the factors that matter to you.

Others will do the same, and the ratings will average out.

If you include the factors that matter to you in your review, then I can read it and decide whether your review is applicable to my tastes---or perhaps, someone else's review is.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:33 AM
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Oh I have to post this gem. I normally don't look at reviews too much but this caught my eye.

"2. Discs could get stuck in the very large mature trees"

Someone actually put this as a con. This is a why I don't look at reviews much.

My main question is a east coast vs west coast and how that affects your rating. Specifically when it comes to times of the year.
My only 5 is flip city. Should it be a half disc lower due to the fact that its not playable for a few months (or at least not ideal, I have played flip with snow). Knowing that every year it will snow at Flip, should that be a con?
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:36 AM
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You, or anyone else, can review courses on any criteria you please.

But no, year round playability does not factor into my review ratings. Because that is based purely on the climate of the area, something not under the courses control. Sure it's a nice bonus for anyone that lives there, but thats it. Plus "year round playability"will vary from person to person, unless the baskets get pulled for part of the year.

And I've never played it but fountain hills looks crappy to me. There are many other much better "showcase" courses that get played during the tour year
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My only 5 is flip city. Should it be a half disc lower due to the fact that its not playable for a few months (or at least not ideal, I have played flip with snow). Knowing that every year it will snow at Flip, should that be a con?
Flip City is its own entity. I gave it a 4.5, but not because it's closed in the winter...mine was because one set of concrete tees/one pin placement.

I play all winter, through snow or whatever, so I guess it never occurred to me to dock a course rating because of it. To me, unless baskets are pulled, a course is playable year round.
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