Backhand 1357

[Brychanus]

Keeps looking closer. Looking at your hand height and rear foot.

Your hand might have come up just a little too much on the frame there. It might be just about right if you put it where the door latch receiver is on that frame.

Then keep messing around with the rear foot. You have more plantar flexion now, but I think you aren't getting your foot pressure to the instep of the rear foot as you hang off the frame:
https://youtu.be/mvGudQYfjD8?t=212

That's part of what's wrong with your real swings too and why you can't get your rear foot to "roll." It took me a while to get used to connecting the flow or roll of the rear foot - moving all the way from the outstep like Hershyzer with flowing through the instep like this door frame drill. You're getting close, see if you can find it. It actually felt "wrong" to me at first because there was a ton of leverage from my instep and into my rear hip that I'd never felt before. Not painful or effortful - just very noticeable because of the way the foot was helping my leg leverage into the hip socket.

Once you get it, there's a sweet spot where you'll be able to drop and swing right off into the plant without spinning or rotating off the rear foot. That's the "meat" of the DG BH.

[NoseDownKing]

Will definitely work on door frame tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/eoaFsfKJd_4

Got some video of my regular form trying to land more infront of rear foot. My head position is definitely telling most of the story. The way my head tilts towards the target during the power pocket is definitely concerning. Usually that's due to being over the top/throwing shoulders forward instead of hips.

https://youtu.be/7nKhv9kf6gs

Seppo here has his head tilting away from the target. It's not like slightly tilting away from the target, it's very noticable.

[Brychanus]

Originally Posted by NoseDownKing

Will definitely work on door frame tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/eoaFsfKJd_4

Got some video of my regular form trying to land more infront of rear foot. My head position is definitely telling most of the story. The way my head tilts towards the target during the power pocket is definitely concerning. Usually that's due to being over the top/throwing shoulders forward instead of hips.

https://youtu.be/7nKhv9kf6gs

Seppo here has his head tilting away from the target. It's not like slightly tilting away from the target, it's very noticable.

That's starting to look better to me. You're getting off the rear side a bit better and the head is a little better.

I'd definitely keep working on the frame and optimizing. It's helping. In your case, another thing you can do during door frame drill is mind how your head is balancing into the rear foot when you're hanging/dropping against the frame without letting go and again how it helps in the braced tilt when you let go of the frame to drop and swing. Same thing as the Pratt drill and Double Dragon etc- I found minding the head balance in all of them after getting the rest of the motion in a decent place helps it transfer to the swing better.

[NoseDownKing]

Regular form outside:

https://youtube.com/shorts/oewkv4pqIxA?feature=share

Not exactly the best angle, but it's my first round in such a long time. Maybe you can see new things now, since I'm finally actually throwing the disc lol. Throws were going all over the place as you can guess from the video. I'll be going to the field a lot now to start getting into the groove of things. I wonder if my consistency issue is simply from not throwing outside in such a long time or just some flaw in my form. Most likely a combination.

DF
https://youtu.be/fapkYDzrc34

Not throwing into the net anymore, but still working on Door Frame

[Brychanus]

Originally Posted by NoseDownKing

Regular form outside:

https://youtube.com/shorts/oewkv4pqIxA?feature=share

Not exactly the best angle, but it's my first round in such a long time. Maybe you can see new things now, since I'm finally actually throwing the disc lol. Throws were going all over the place as you can guess from the video. I'll be going to the field a lot now to start getting into the groove of things. I wonder if my consistency issue is simply from not throwing outside in such a long time or just some flaw in my form. Most likely a combination.

DF
https://youtu.be/fapkYDzrc34

Not throwing into the net anymore, but still working on Door Frame

Good to see you outside, I bet that felt good despite starting out in Shank City.

My guess would be a combo. I think players reach "steady states" with their form if they stop making changes and figure out how to make it work. You even see that in 1020+ rated pros on tour who have some mechanics issues they could sort out. So we're all in some kind of tension between optimizing what we've got vs. pushing for improvements in mechanics.

FWIW my scoring rounds have been going better just optimizing one drill or form piece at a time the last few weeks with more adequate rest. I address what I'm working on in the preshot routine then do my best to relax and just throw. I focus more on efficiency in every swing than anything else. I haven't been basement throwing the last few weeks since I tend to overdo it there, & having the target & lines of course makes a huge difference to your brain and body.

That DFD keeps looking better. Don't stop when it feels good - keep looking for little efficiencies and reinforce it probably daily for at least another week after that. I grab a frame for a couple minutes at least twice a week even now and it's helpful to fight off form drift for almost no time + effort. Awesome drill.

Can you show us Hershyzer from X-step position? I have a thought about your x-step there but don't want to assume your issue has been completely the same as mine.

[NoseDownKing]

Originally Posted by Brychanus

Good to see you outside, I bet that felt good despite starting out in Shank City.

My guess would be a combo. I think players reach "steady states" with their form if they stop making changes and figure out how to make it work. You even see that in 1020+ rated pros on tour who have some mechanics issues they could sort out. So we're all in some kind of tension between optimizing what we've got vs. pushing for improvements in mechanics.

FWIW my scoring rounds have been going better just optimizing one drill or form piece at a time the last few weeks with more adequate rest. I address what I'm working on in the preshot routine then do my best to relax and just throw. I focus more on efficiency in every swing than anything else. I haven't been basement throwing the last few weeks since I tend to overdo it there, & having the target & lines of course makes a huge difference to your brain and body.

That DFD keeps looking better. Don't stop when it feels good - keep looking for little efficiencies and reinforce it probably daily for at least another week after that. I grab a frame for a couple minutes at least twice a week even now and it's helpful to fight off form drift for almost no time + effort. Awesome drill.

Can you show us Hershyzer from X-step position? I have a thought about your x-step there but don't want to assume your issue has been completely the same as mine.

Yeah I'll definitely work on drills still. Also will focus on the drill feels during the preshot routine.

https://youtu.be/PdJ8dETscy8

First time in the field in a long time, so obviously had to get some video. Also from a better angle than yesterday, so maybe your x-step thought is now clarified lol.

[NoseDownKing]

https://youtu.be/csTV3RjKPX8

Still working on form. Today focused on striding straighter in an effort to possible reduce my griplock issue and gain more power. Both seemed to improve quite a bit. Something maybe looks a bit weird during and after the plant. I can't quite tell what it is though, but I can see something is off.

[Brychanus]

Some of that is looking better including the diagonal. I think though that you might still be a bit out of posture and tipping a little bit Northward off the drive leg into the shift.

I know it has been a long road, but mechanically I wanted to point out that your move off the drive leg is looking a lot better than your first post. Stay on the hunt!