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Old 07-08-2020, 09:03 PM
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I thought I was with a few Molds and turns out I was wrong with XL From Discraft in premium plastics that help the mold fly less like a Stalker, my current mold. The Shark 3, I thought for sure being it is a Shark mold barely modified to just be flat top, that the Champion Shark 3 was not going anywhere when I either loose or replace my Champion Shark 3 the mold will be replaced with the Lion in Champion, assuming that mold is still made. The Shark 3 is like a more OS Buzz but not so OS it is more then a Wasp the way the Buzz OS mold is.
Yeah, you never know for sure and sometimes the companies can surprise you. I don't think anyone was expecting MVP to OOP all of their midranges. And I was looking at the current Prodigy lineup the other day and was surprised that they have missing numbers. Apparently there's no X1 anymore? You would think they'd keep it just to have the rest of the names make sense. I think there's probably only an average of 3-4 absolutely untouchable molds per company (more at Innova and Discraft just do to size).
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Old 07-08-2020, 10:29 PM
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Yeah, you never know for sure and sometimes the companies can surprise you. I don't think anyone was expecting MVP to OOP all of their midranges. And I was looking at the current Prodigy lineup the other day and was surprised that they have missing numbers. Apparently there's no X1 anymore? You would think they'd keep it just to have the rest of the names make sense. I think there's probably only an average of 3-4 absolutely untouchable molds per company (more at Innova and Discraft just do to size).
Yeah I never thought that Discraft Would get rid of its only Fairway truly OS disc well in the plastic that made the disc a true OS midrange, The XL in Z. That was a head scratcher as the disc was selling fairly well, maybe not among Disc Golf am players who switched from Dynamic Disc to Discraft ONLY due to Sponsored players leaving the Dynamic Disc/Latitude 64 lineup. But the longtime people that use Discraft discs liked the XL, even if they were not using the mold they probably had at least tested the mold.

If MVP got rid of all its midrange disc, did the Company eventually make new molds? Did Axiom still have its midrange molds? I only say this as a good number of players that use the MVP/Axiom lineup only use those brands as those are the only company with that style of over-mold.
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Old 07-09-2020, 01:53 PM
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Yeah I never thought that Discraft Would get rid of its only Fairway truly OS disc well in the plastic that made the disc a true OS midrange, The XL in Z. That was a head scratcher as the disc was selling fairly well, maybe not among Disc Golf am players who switched from Dynamic Disc to Discraft ONLY due to Sponsored players leaving the Dynamic Disc/Latitude 64 lineup. But the longtime people that use Discraft discs liked the XL, even if they were not using the mold they probably had at least tested the mold.

If MVP got rid of all its midrange disc, did the Company eventually make new molds? Did Axiom still have its midrange molds? I only say this as a good number of players that use the MVP/Axiom lineup only use those brands as those are the only company with that style of over-mold.
Yeah the loss of the XL definitely is a bit of a headscratcher. And from what I remember MVP basically didn't like their mids and were going to replace them with new better molds. But from what I can tell they have not really done so yet. I think there's one current MVP mid and one current Axiom mid. There are enough of OOP ones in stock at various places that it's not a huge problem yet, but if you love overmolds you are going to be hurting for mids if they don't fill out the lineup soon.

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Old 07-09-2020, 08:07 PM
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Yeah the loss of the XL definitely is a bit of a headscratcher. And from what I remember MVP basically didn't like their mids and were going to replace them with new better molds. But from what I can tell they have not really done so yet. I think there's one current MVP mid and one current Axiom mid. There are enough of OOP ones in stock at various places that it's not a huge problem yet, but if you love overmolds you are going to be hurting for mids if they don't fill out the lineup soon.
Yes if you love that style of overmold, Innova has 2 well soon to have 2 midrange overmolds in a different own style, one with flight like a Lion I forget name of disc., other is the neutral Atlas. Latitude 64 and Dynamic Disc had to stop making that style of overmold immediately due to a lawsuit with MVP/Axiom so The discs like Gobi and something else from Dynamic Disc in midrange are not able to be produced still. What I would like to see if the new midrange molds never get produced, is a move to making the old molds again due to Pro Sponsored MVP/Axiom players threatening to leave if specific molds they love for midrange are not made again. I bet most if not all the Pro players sponsored by MVP/Axiom do not use much for midrange discs anyhow. Both the Company's have a Putter that is almost midrange in distance and a few midrange like fairway discs from both or ether MVP/Axiom.
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Old 07-10-2020, 10:18 AM
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Wait, because of the names? Seriously? How is the word, ethics, involved in this?
It's fetishizing the criminal justice system in a way that a lot of people may not support.

Some may not feel this way, but using "felon" as a cool marketing term is kinda weird when you think about it. Especially if you were to think about it as someone who thinks there may be over-incarceration.

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It's fetishizing the criminal justice system in a way that a lot of people may not support.

Some may not feel this way, but using "felon" as a cool marketing term is kinda weird when you think about it. Especially if you were to think about it as someone who thinks there may be over-incarceration.
Fetishizing? Uhm, no. Maybe some other word, but not that one.

Nothing weird at all about felon. I don't even see how you could manufacture weirdness from it. What does over incarceration have to do with en English word? Damn there's some gymnastics going on in some of y'all's heads.

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Old 07-10-2020, 02:24 PM
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It's fetishizing the criminal justice system in a way that a lot of people may not support.

Some may not feel this way, but using "felon" as a cool marketing term is kinda weird when you think about it. Especially if you were to think about it as someone who thinks there may be over-incarceration.
I think the word you are looking for is - glamorized

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It will be in my pleading, your Honor if I did a felony, it's because of Dynamic Discs.

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It's fetishizing the criminal justice system in a way that a lot of people may not support.

Some may not feel this way, but using "felon" as a cool marketing term is kinda weird when you think about it. Especially if you were to think about it as someone who thinks there may be over-incarceration.
While I mostly think this is a mountain out of a molehill take I will say we found it amusing/awkward beating through the bushes at league this week calling out to one another, "What kind of disc was it?" "A black felon."

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It's fetishizing the criminal justice system in a way that a lot of people may not support.

Some may not feel this way, but using "felon" as a cool marketing term is kinda weird when you think about it. Especially if you were to think about it as someone who thinks there may be over-incarceration.
I'd say someone who sees it that way is reading too much into their naming strategy. I can see where some would be turned off by it, put my gut tells me it's had negligible impact on sales.

That said, I have nothing tangible to support my gut.

I hope they mold Suspects, Convicts, Felons... in a wide variety of colors ... including white.

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