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Old 10-16-2020, 07:43 AM
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Default What's up with division limits?

I'm gearing up for a full schedule of tournaments and to my surprise now I'm seeing a trend to limit the number of people in a division. Example: 5 spots for AM50, 4 for MP50, 8 for FPO, etc, etc.

Why would a TD do that?
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Old 10-16-2020, 08:09 AM
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it is somewhat common around here although I do not do it myself. In this area i would say it primarily stems from wanting to save space for female players.

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Old 10-16-2020, 09:30 AM
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Mostly, what John said -- saving spaces for less-common divisions, to make sure they're not shut out in fast-filling events.

Sometimes, to try to avoid mixed-division cards, by setting divisions in increments of 4 or 5. Or, with those smaller divisions, to avoid players getting shut out and the TD dealing with divisions with only 1, 2, or 3 players registered, and having to either request that they move, or run a tiny division.

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Mostly, what John said -- saving spaces for less-common divisions, to make sure they're not shut out in fast-filling events.
So why not put limits on the more popular divisions then and keep the other ones open? Especially FPO for instance. At first I thought limiting the am50 (and up) to 1 card was to possibly keep the round from slowing down too much. hmm....
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:01 AM
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You should probably expect to see more and more of it with the huge influx of new players. Demand for MA3 and MA4 are going through the roof.

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So why not put limits on the more popular divisions then and keep the other ones open? Especially FPO for instance. At first I thought limiting the am50 (and up) to 1 card was to possibly keep the round from slowing down too much. hmm....
It's not always obvious which divisions will fill fast. A TD who caps MA1, might find a flood of MA4s.

The limits function as both caps, and set-asides.

I'm not a big fan -- I'm more inclined to want to let the chips fall where they may, except for large multi-course events -- but I understand the reasoning.

These days I don't run divisional events, just a team event, so I don't have to ponder that decision.

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That's also a head scratcher, if the event is going to fill... why worry about it... that's why I'm thinking "reserving" spots for divisions like FPO makes more sense than "limiting" the division to a certain number.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:28 AM
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I am not a fan of it. IMO the solution to excess demand is to limit the number of divisions offered on a given day rather than cap a bunch of divisions. I see no reason to exclude a player who attempts to register in a timely fashion for someone who does not.

My expectation is that in 2021 events are going to be harder to get into than in the past because TD's will not have made the adjustment to the new "normal". The days of all divisions being able to compete on a single day/weekend on just one course are behind us.
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A fundamental reason a TD might specify division caps is it's necessary to not be required to offer a division that might pop up if at least 3 people try to enter it. Per PDGA guidelines, if the TD does not restrict the division offerings in advance, they must allow a group of at least 3 players in a division to play and probably provide an unplanned trophy. While most TDs are likely to include a pop-up division if they have room, they may not have the flexibility to do so.
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I am not a fan of it. IMO the solution to excess demand is to limit the number of divisions offered on a given day rather than cap a bunch of divisions. I see no reason to exclude a player who attempts to register in a timely fashion for someone who does not.

My expectation is that in 2021 events are going to be harder to get into than in the past because TD's will not have made the adjustment to the new "normal". The days of all divisions being able to compete on a single day/weekend on just one course are behind us.
Savvy TDs may simply offer lower level Am division flex time C-tiers, if the new local demand is there, to actually make money for their efforts.
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