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Old 10-26-2020, 12:29 PM
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Where would the Giant fit in the Innova lineup? I'm looking for a high headwind driver 30+ and was considering this. I throw 375 in calm conditions. I have a couple VIP Worlds that work OK up to about 25 mph but can't handle the 30-35. I have a Stiletto too but I don't love the grip.

Maybe a heavier and higher PLH VIP Giant?
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:58 PM
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Giant is a great disc and is probably the one I can throw the furthest forehand. Like many high speed drivers they can be a little all over the place in stability, but the average Giant has good high speed stability and you won’t see much turn until you throw them with 400+ Ft of power.

In the Innova lineup it would be closest to a Boss, but with a more pleasant grip IMO.

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Old 10-26-2020, 02:25 PM
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Giant is a great disc and is probably the one I can throw the furthest forehand. Like many high speed drivers they can be a little all over the place in stability, but the average Giant has good high speed stability and you won’t see much turn until you throw them with 400+ Ft of power.

In the Innova lineup it would be closest to a Boss, but with a more pleasant grip IMO.
I don't think the Giant will stand up to 30+ MPH headwinds though. Decent overstable disc, but it isn't really made for gusty conditions.

For big time wind the Warhorse would be a better choice.

I do agree that a Giant is fairly similar to a Boss, especially the newer Bosses that are super beefy.
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:37 PM
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I don't think the Giant will stand up to 30+ MPH headwinds though. Decent overstable disc, but it isn't really made for gusty conditions.

For big time wind the Warhorse would be a better choice.

I do agree that a Giant is fairly similar to a Boss, especially the newer Bosses that are super beefy.
I would agree with that, the Warhorse is an amazing disc. Although at 30 MPH almost anything is getting knocked around.

I actually did a video where I threw a bunch of OS discs in the rain with a 20+ mph headwind and the Warhorse, Enforcer and Rask did the best.

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Old 10-26-2020, 02:55 PM
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Which is more OS on avg, the Giant or Defender?
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:30 PM
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their is not really any silverbullet answer for a disc in 30 mph wind.

that is extreme for our sport. At that point superb technique will dictate more than the perfect disc choice!

any high speed overstable flattish distance driver thrown by a master of delivery will determine performance and results. not the disc~
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:11 PM
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Man I forgot how much I loved throwing the giant a few years ago. Awesome forehand disc, I actually preferred the tournament plastic ones that were a bit more mellow. Still beefy but at the time the vip’s were flatter and super beef.

I threw the sword a lot back then also, it was a straighter wraith for me. Kings were amazing too, years ago when there were runs out there with the belly button dimple. Those were the perfect amount of flip and fade that led to insane distance. Later ones got real flippy and I eventually moved away from them. No clue how they fly now.
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:25 PM
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their is not really any silverbullet answer for a disc in 30 mph wind.

that is extreme for our sport. At that point superb technique will dictate more than the perfect disc choice!

any high speed overstable flattish distance driver thrown by a master of delivery will determine performance and results. not the disc~
I think that is generally true, however I think getting in the ballpark helps too. I maybe once a month or so get that high wind and I struggle to have enough beef. I do have some beefy discs like the Stiletto which does alright, same with the Rask. I don't like the feel of either very much though. So I am still searching out other options.

I think that flattish and high speed is the key. I also tried a Star Destroyer which was a little domier and it didn't work. It turned and burned.

Let's say I throw 55 mph. Now add a 30 mph headwind and we have an airspeed on the disc of 85 mph. Funny downwind that would translate to a 25 mph airspeed. Better throw something slower and flippy!
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:28 PM
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I think that is generally true, however I think getting in the ballpark helps too. I maybe once a month or so get that high wind and I struggle to have enough beef. I do have some beefy discs like the Stiletto which does alright, same with the Rask. I don't like the feel of either very much though. So I am still searching out other options.

I think that flattish and high speed is the key. I also tried a Star Destroyer which was a little domier and it didn't work. It turned and burned.

Let's say I throw 55 mph. Now add a 30 mph headwind and we have an airspeed on the disc of 85 mph. Funny downwind that would translate to a 25 mph airspeed. Better throw something slower and flippy!
I don’t generally like to post my videos on here, but this may be helpful since conditions are closer to what you are facing. You can see me clearly struggle at times to keep the Destroyer, Zeus and others in the air. But the I had some very promising throws with others.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c924Nwo8vxo&t=8s
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:46 PM
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I don’t generally like to post my videos on here, but this may be helpful since conditions are closer to what you are facing. You can see me clearly struggle at times to keep the Destroyer, Zeus and others in the air. But the I had some very promising throws with others.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c924Nwo8vxo&t=8s
Watched your vid. No doubt about it the Rask is likely the fastest disc on the market. I don't like the feel but maybe I should just bag it for those big headwind days. If any disc cuts through the air fast it's the Rask, it has never flipped on me. I was reading that the Warhorse is a little deeper which I also am not a fan of. I should maybe check that out too though.
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