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Old 09-10-2020, 03:09 PM
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I say do away with the putting circle altogether. Let the people jump/step putt if they want. Just enforce the existing rules for contact at release point and be done with it.
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Old 09-10-2020, 03:17 PM
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Our sport treats the pros at USDGC and the 7 year olds at their local C tiers, in terms of the rules, the same.

Absolutely no other sport does that.

There needs to be rules and consequences directly related to pro divisions, amateur divisions and junior divisions.

A few examples where it would make sense:
- Falling putt - distance for pros 66 feet, ams 33 feet, juniors 20 feet.
- Incorrect scorecard - pros DQ, Ams 2 throws, juniors no penalty
- missing a hole - pros DQ, ams and juniors par plus 4

There also needs to be more consideration for tiers. Drinking beer during a major shouldn't be the same punishment as drinking beer on a private course during a c tier.

Finally, there needs to be a complete re-work of the testing process. If you want to run an event, you should take the "TD test." This would have some ruling scenarios but focus much more on application of rules such as "sam smith pdga 1234 and jon jones PDGA 1241 both are in MA40 and both shoot 54. Who is listed first on the leaderboard".

If you want to play in a bigger event, there needs to be a "player card" test. This would be much more about on the course scenarios. "Tom calls a foot fault and you agree, what should you do?"

The current test doesn't really help either situation but the officials card is used for both.

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Old 09-10-2020, 04:05 PM
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Yeah but then I can hear it now; "Oh that wasn't a putt that was a throw."
My wishlist rule would then be: "A player's momentum may not take them beyond their marked lie on any throw not taken from the designated teeing area." Or some such thing

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I say do away with the putting circle altogether. Let the people jump/step putt if they want. Just enforce the existing rules for contact at release point and be done with it.
Problem is it's too difficult to enforce without slo-mo
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My wishlist rule would then be: "A player's momentum may not take them beyond their marked lie on any throw not taken from the designated teeing area." Or some such thing



Problem is it's too difficult to enforce without slo-mo
I agree that determining if a jump putt was legal or illegal is damn near impossible during in real time... and often impossible even on slo mo replay. Did the disc leave their hand before their feet left the ground? Who the F knows. Sometimes I can watch them 5-6 times and not be sure.

But, the way I read your proposal, the only time a player could take a "normal" follow through would be on the tee.

Are you basically saying "No follow through beyond the lie on long fairway and approach shots?"

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Old 09-10-2020, 06:37 PM
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Personally, I think that if a violation is so small that it can't be discerned in real time, it's too small to worry about not being called.

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Old 09-10-2020, 07:15 PM
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Just ban jump putts. Outside circle 1 you can still 'step' putt....just like you follow through on a tee shot or fairway shot, you should be able to follow through on a putt outside circle 1....just no jumping allowed.

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Old 09-10-2020, 07:27 PM
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Yeah but then I can hear it now; "Oh that wasn't a putt that was a throw."
Well isn't it illigal currently to be over the mini on the normal throw anyhow?

Then ban being over the mini on any throe except the drive off tee before the disc has come to rest to fix the rule on just banning Jump putts if that is not working and I am wrong with above statement.
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Old 09-10-2020, 07:36 PM
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Just ban jump putts. Outside circle 1 you can still 'step' putt....just like you follow through on a tee shot or fairway shot, you should be able to follow through on a putt outside circle 1....just no jumping allowed.
Oh Never thought about that move still being legal, more then likely a step putt is not as easy to make an infraction due to more players able to tell when an infraction happend easier due to less parts to the step over mini putt. With a jump putt the jump put has the extra in the air bit while going over the min making the ability to tell if infraction happened more difficult. Then players including Pro's could still do the step behind the mini inside circle 1 to be happy as long as the front foot is within the maximum from mini before disc is released.
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Old 09-10-2020, 09:48 PM
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Is jump putting actually a problem though?

I’ve had the same question—did he or didn’t he? Watched slo mo and concluded that it has not been a fault. Not saying that’s always the case, but I think it’s normally the case.

I’d leave it be. It’s more hand wringing (IMO) than actual problem.
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:39 PM
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The other one I want is the disc stuck above 2 meter rule no longer allowed in the old form anywhere including California and at the Discretion of the Director. Instead the option is to play like a lost disc with whatever is max time to look for the disc in a PDGA tournament but this time is used in getting disc down and if in that time it is not gotten the lost disc, then after it is played directly below like a 2 meter rule if using 2 meter rule. Now people carry a small golf ball or tennis ball for getting discs down or they have some kind of very long disc grabber with collapsible pole so getting a disc down is easier then up to 2000 or earlier when disc bags did not have much extra storage for stuff to carry other then discs up to 10-12 for most old bags pre 2000.

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