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Old 10-26-2020, 01:04 PM
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The practical problem I have with a C2 jump putt rule is that eyeballing and walking off C2 is FAR tougher than walking off C1. For DGPT this isn't an issue, they mark it off with flags, but for other events it could be a huge issue. Right now I can fairly easily walk off my 13 paces which I know is roughly C1, double that to 26 paces and I am willing to bet the inaccuracy gets out of hand.

Imagine getting the obligatory "Am I outside?" question on an unmarked green and having to make the call on whether you are inside our outside of C2. It is sometimes tough enough with C1, can't even imagine C2.
C1 rules are not designed on rough estimates to start with. If we are already estimating this distance for a rule, I am confused on the issue of further "graying" of the rule.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:05 PM
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I'd be a fan of a jump/step putt ban.
I would too if there was a way to differentiate it from a follow through on a long fairway shot. I don't really see a reasonable way to do that though.

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Old 10-26-2020, 01:06 PM
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I wasn't a jump/step putt guy for decades and always thought it looked like it would decrease your chances of making them. Then just last year I tried learning them. I was wrong. I love it. It works for me and it's fun to do. And I do it without foot faulting.

You are allowed in this Frisbee sport to follow through after your lie on a throw except for being close to the basket. So if you're not officially close to the basket (C1), then you should get to follow through. As many have said, making that official number farther away will add difficulty in determining where that is. That would be impractical.

Leave jump/step putting be. If you don't like it, just go ahead and stand there and use all your arm. You can do that too. I won't think any less of you. I did it almost all my life with good results and if that works for you, awesome. We're all friends on the course.

I love watching Chris Dickerson skillfully step putt and Keven Jones do his jumpers too. James Conrad's stepper is entertaining. I also agree with someone else earlier that Calvin Heimburg's standstill putt is also clean and fun to watch. I love it all.

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Old 10-26-2020, 01:17 PM
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I'm for banning Jump Putts....Step Putts aren't quite the same issue.

Jump Putts: Both feet leave the ground moving forward of the lie. Issue: it is difficult to determine if both feet leave the ground before the disc is released. It is also difficult to tell if both feet have passed the lie before the disc is released. In no other shot are both feet allowed to leave the ground and move forward of the lie in that manner.

Step Putts: This is like a normal throw, where one foot moves forward of the lie after the disc is released and the other foot follows. Issue: this is a weird issue and is based on circumstance. On tee/fairway/approach shots, the player is allowed to have their foot touch the ground past their lie after the disc is released...then their other foot can follow through past the lie. On C1 putts, your feet cannot go forward of the lie until the disc has been released AND you must show balance....after those two requirements have been met, you can proceed forward of the lie. Step Putts combine the two...it is a putt, but you don't have to show balance and you can continue forward of the lie after the disc has been released - so it is really not a Step Putt - it is really an upshot (?) that is intended to go into the basket.

As I see it, currently there are three sets of rules for stance/throws.
1. C1 Putts
2. C2 Putts
3. All other

Why do we have separate rules for C2? It would be easier if there were only two sets of rules: putts and other throws. If you are in C2 it should follow the 'All others' rules. I would be against making C2 match C1....you are further out and it is more difficult to make a standing putt from outside C1....so allow C2 throws to be the same as all non-C1 throws.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:19 PM
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I would too if there was a way to differentiate it from a follow through on a long fairway shot. I don't really see a reasonable way to do that though.
In a thread in the past someone asked how can you tell when someone is putting.

I can always tell if a player is putting or not, why is that confusing to some? There's a certain stance all players take (different for each player) that is obviously their putting stance.
A new putting rule (ban jumps all together) would apply when someone takes their putting stance and not for a run up in the fairway.

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Old 10-26-2020, 01:24 PM
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C1 rules are not designed on rough estimates to start with. If we are already estimating this distance for a rule, I am confused on the issue of further "graying" of the rule.
The vast majority of a C1 decisions are based on rough estimates. Are you really carrying around your PDGA approved tape measure? I really don’t know how controversial it is to say that estimating 10 m is easier than 20.

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Old 10-26-2020, 01:24 PM
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They can always change the size of circle 1. Push it to 15 meters.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:30 PM
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I'm 75 years old, and jump-putts are a non issue for me as they are not in my arsenal!

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The vast majority of a C1 decisions are based on rough estimates. Are you really carrying around your PDGA approved tape measure? I really don’t know how controversial it is to say that estimating 10 m is easier than 20.
I'll try again. The rule is not written as an "about, approximation or close to" rule. The language is very specific. I understand the common practice and practical application.

If you are fine with "close enough" for C1, I am confused where you suddenly start waffling on "close enough" for C2. You are already comfortable with estimating, what is the line of discomfort?

We do provide painted circles or a rope to the basket for our sanctioned events.

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Old 10-26-2020, 01:36 PM
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In a thread in the past someone asked how can you tell when someone is putting.

I can always tell if a player is putting or not, why is that confusing to some? There's a certain stance all players take (different for each player) that is obviously their putting stance.
A new putting rule (ban jumps all together) would apply when someone takes their putting stance and not for a run up in the fairway.
In that case I would oppose it. Last thing we need is another factor subject to arbitrary judgement. Stance differs for everyone, distance at which they use that stance also differs for everyone=no bueno imo.

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