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Old 08-18-2019, 08:56 AM
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Default Marking the 10m/Putting circle

In one of the other threads toddl said that you can't assume a marked putting circle is official and accurate. This brought up some interesting thoughts and questions.

The rule book doesn't reference the 10m circle being physically marked at all, it just defines the distance. Whereas for Mandos it describes the procedure for both a physically marked line and for an imaginary one. And for OB, the rule book assumes that there will always be a physical line of some kind.

And the rulebook tells us how to treat physically marked lines. For OB the line itself is OB. For Mandos the line is 'safe' as the disc has missed the mando only if "it completely crosses a mandatory line".

So questions:
1. Can a physically marked putting circle ever be considered 'official'? As the rulebook doesn't give any official status to that marked line, nor does it define how to handle the line itself.

2. How big is the potential for problems if a marked (but always unofficial) line is incorrect?

3a. Should/could the rule book detail marking of the putting circle.

3b. And possibly allow custom shaped putting areas?



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Old 08-18-2019, 11:26 AM
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Physically marked putting circles should never be considered official. They're good for reference sake, but errors happen. I don't believe that players should have to abide by a painted circle that has a radius of 10.5 meters or 9.3 meters when making rulings just because they're there.

Should the rule book address physical markings? I don't think it should unless the rule is changed so that 10m circles are not required. If custom shapes are allowed, then physical markings are obviously imperative (like OB markings). If the rules continue to read that all putting circles are exactly 10m in radius around the basket, then markings should be irrelevant from a ruling standpoint.
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:12 PM
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So if you get out and measure every painted circle and you know the painted line on a hole is 9,8m and somebody makes a jump put from the line. . .can you call a footfault?

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Old 08-18-2019, 05:52 PM
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So if you get out and measure every painted circle and you know the painted line on a hole is 9,8m and somebody makes a jump put from the line. . .can you call a footfault?
No reason that you couldn't call a fault in such a situation.

Though if I were in possession of the knowledge that the painted circles were incorrect, I'd probably speak up before the round began to inform at least my group, if not the TD as well. I certainly would speak up before anyone in my group jump putted from right at the line to prevent any controversial calls from needing to be made at all.
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:10 PM
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Used to be common for people to paint the circles at 30feet. They say it's good enough, I say it's not 10meters. I'd call the foot fault.

I do believe that in the future it would be a good thing that whatever the distance is painted (even non-circular shapes) that should be the official distance for that round (or event).
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:57 AM
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There is a problem with allowing the TD to mark their own circle and making it official, although it might be theoretical. What would keep a TD from marking the "circle" right in front of the Tee, and thus requiring Stand & Deliver from everywhere except the Tee?
The best fix in my mind is still to do away with the circle entirely when it comes to stance.
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:30 AM
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There is a problem with allowing the TD to mark their own circle and making it official, although it might be theoretical. What would keep a TD from marking the "circle" right in front of the Tee, and thus requiring Stand & Deliver from everywhere except the Tee?
The best fix in my mind is still to do away with the circle entirely when it comes to stance.
Given that much freedom, I'd paint the circle in the shadow of the basket, effectively doing away with the falling putt rule, too.

Probably a good thing that TDs can't create custom "circles". People like me might abuse the privilege.
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:48 AM
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I have always thought marked circles are:
A. unnecessary
B. a waste of paint
C. ugly
D. unnecessary
E. a waste of time that could be spent more productively
F. unnecessary

...so now for Udisc we have to do 2 instead of just one for USWDGC...

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Old 08-19-2019, 12:48 PM
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You have to mark Circle2?
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:50 PM
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You have to mark Circle2?
If you want to facilitate people using UDisc scorekeeping and their stats.
Seems to be becoming pretty popular.

Until last year, I didn't even know Circle 2 was a thing.
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