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Yea. I dont know if he just got bored but he's been at that point of all or nothing for a couple years it seems like. He's pretty much always trying to throw the hot round. Then he had those back and knee issues the last year or so that just messed up his putting stroke. But he seems to be getting that back. But like Jamie said, there are just so many great players now, those final round(s) McBeast mode comebacks are just not happening like they used too...


...another thing too. Is it just me or does he seem to be getting a lot more bad breaks than he used too? Or are they just more noticeable now that he isn't making those big comebacks?
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O/U on how many more posts before the man himself steps in and crushes the OP...
As we have seen him do.

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Old 04-29-2018, 11:12 PM
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I don't think it's so much a case of MCB playing worse as it a case for other guys playing better. Especially in the long game. I mean...cmon..this was Drew's tournament to win. If he didn't mess up some approach shots and a few putts, he would have won. On these long open courses we're going to see Simon, Eagle, Drew, GG, all or most of them...in the top 5 all day long. I still think Paul's overall game is as good or better than anyone. As this season progresses, I'm sure we'll see things average out to where Paul typically is. At the end of the day...regardless of rating...there is some serious physics at play and discs bounce out or fly through (have you seen the gaps on the side chains of those Veterans baskets?!?) baskets when they shouldn't. Luck is part of the game. Eagle's skip in 2 is a great example. If that misses the basket, it's 30-50ft past and ob.
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Old 04-30-2018, 01:23 AM
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could it be that taller/larger wing-span-ed guys are just throwing more overstable plastic further than paul in mostly open courses so far?

in the case of eagle he seems to have more distance than paul in every shot, sidearm/backhand/roller/grenades/scoobies/thumbers/tomahawks on top of a confident spin putt thrown with massively overstable PD2 compared to paul's destroyers.

ricky seems to be using his physical advantages too (longer wingspan more options with shots).

in these open bomber/windy courses it clearly favors people who throw far with overstable plastic.

cam todd winning gbo 2 years ago was awesome but they did play other courses than the golf course where Todd used a lot of smart golf play to win.

hopefully the vermont courses for worlds will have lots of difficult technical new england woods play that can even out the advantage of slinging massively overstable plastic 500ft on hyzer. thats where paul really shined during his 4x run: being totally versatile in the open/woods/wind/pressure/setbacks/etc.

USDGC seems to weed out cerebral play over pure athleticism.

then again maybe its just eagle's year this year, he seems to be able to play in the woods too.
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Old 04-30-2018, 01:44 AM
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could it be that taller/larger wing-span-ed guys are just throwing more overstable plastic further than paul in mostly open courses so far?

in the case of eagle he seems to have more distance than paul in every shot, sidearm/backhand/roller/grenades/scoobies/thumbers/tomahawks on top of a confident spin putt thrown with massively overstable PD2 compared to paul's destroyers.

ricky seems to be using his physical advantages too (longer wingspan more options with shots).

in these open bomber/windy courses it clearly favors people who throw far with overstable plastic.

cam todd winning gbo 2 years ago was awesome but they did play other courses than the golf course where Todd used a lot of smart golf play to win.

hopefully the vermont courses for worlds will have lots of difficult technical new england woods play that can even out the advantage of slinging massively overstable plastic 500ft on hyzer. thats where paul really shined during his 4x run: being totally versatile in the open/woods/wind/pressure/setbacks/etc.

USDGC seems to weed out cerebral play over pure athleticism.

then again maybe its just eagle's year this year, he seems to be able to play in the woods too.
Smuggler's Notch has two courses. One(Fox Run) is a more open bomber style course, The other (Brewster Ridge) is a longish wooded course...

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https://www.dgcoursereview.com/media...510&mode=media

Look up the Green Mountain Championship on Jomez to see the courses...
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1030 before 1050 is a bit of a hot take. He hasn't been rated lower than 1040 since he won his first worlds, which includes during the worst of his injuries.

My take is that he's just too aggressive all of the time. The meta game is changing, course design is changing, etc. His round ratings seem (to the eye, haven't run a model) to be still at that elite 1% level, but people have learned to how to counter punch him.

He's playing like Simon used to, trying to throw highlight rounds. There are just too many more players who are making him pay for mistakes these days so he can't clear the leaderboard like he used to.
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My take is that he's just too aggressive all of the time. ...

He's playing like Simon used to, trying to throw highlight rounds. There are just too many more players who are making him pay for mistakes these days so he can't clear the leaderboard like he used to.
Also agreed. Sometimes he tries to make a lot of those shots just because he can, rather than because it's right for the course. Eagle's the prime recent example of what can go right when you harness the aggressiveness a bit. I don't know how he made that shift, but it seems to be working for him.

As far as things going wrong for Paul, I've noticed that too. But I tend to think it's more him being off his game than some kind of random factor. It's hard to stay on top of any sport as long as he has.
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I think Jamie (JTacoma03) has hit it right on its proverbial head.
He will not likely ever dominate like he has in the past.
Even Ricky's not dominating like he has over the past couple years.
The game has changed, as Jamie said, and Eagle has changed with it.
I think Paul needs to back off and get smarter and play within his skill set.
WAY TOO MANY OB's, and a lot of them have been silly gambles or crowd pleasing.
With only 3 rounds per tourney, EVERY THROW COUNTS.
He has the ability to win these events, but not every one of them.
It's like in most sports, the goal is to stay near the top of the leaderboard at the end and give your self the opportunity to win.
Look, I'm not saying this to criticize, it's just an observation.
I want Paul to win!

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... I mean...cmon..this was Drew's tournament to win. If he didn't mess up some approach shots and a few putts, he would have won. ...


If is one of the biggest words in the English language.

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could it be that taller/larger wing-span-ed guys are just throwing more overstable plastic further than paul in mostly open courses so far?

in the case of eagle he seems to have more distance than paul in every shot, sidearm/backhand/roller/grenades/scoobies/thumbers/tomahawks on top of a confident spin putt thrown with massively overstable PD2 compared to paul's destroyers.

ricky seems to be using his physical advantages too (longer wingspan more options with shots).

in these open bomber/windy courses it clearly favors people who throw far with overstable plastic.

cam todd winning gbo 2 years ago was awesome but they did play other courses than the golf course where Todd used a lot of smart golf play to win.

hopefully the vermont courses for worlds will have lots of difficult technical new england woods play that can even out the advantage of slinging massively overstable plastic 500ft on hyzer. thats where paul really shined during his 4x run: being totally versatile in the open/woods/wind/pressure/setbacks/etc.

USDGC seems to weed out cerebral play over pure athleticism.

then again maybe its just eagle's year this year, he seems to be able to play in the woods too.

Were we watching a different GBO?

Drew Gibson @ 5’9” consistently crushed everyone. Height certainly gives an advantage but so does a little muscle mass. It’s a give and take, there’s more than one way to hyzer a cat.

Paul isn’t going anywhere. The only thing that could ever hope to even slow him down is health. He will continue to make adjustments and train to stay on top and I don’t know why anybody would think otherwise.

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