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Old 02-14-2018, 10:25 AM
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Couple other thoughts to supplement what's already been said above:

A MikeC tip that I sometimes use: try closing your eyes and feel whether or not you are balanced and if your weight shift is going directly targetward or not. Sometimes just a very small adjustment of balance here makes a big difference.

Similarly, practice rocking back and forth (as you drop your right butt cheek back to load [assuming RH] and shift forward), cognizant of whether your weight shift is going directly targetward or not. I feel like if it is, it becomes a lot harder to miss right or left.

And if you're like me, I used to use too much arm or maybe I just wasn't quite in sync with what my lower body was doing. Try to let your core drive the shot and simply let your arms be an extension of what your core and lower body are doing. That way, as you drive your motion forward, all you really need to do is let go toward the basket. Similar to a BH or FH drive.

I have similar space limitations in my basement, but even at 10-20 ft you can still do all of the above and feel your core and weight shift making the throw. Obviously, as you pointed out it's going to be to a lesser extent the closer you get and you aren't going to get the rear leg counter to the extent that Mcbeth gets at greater distances like SlowPlastic mentioned. But you can still feel and imagine your core driving the shot.

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Old 02-14-2018, 12:27 PM
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I'm taking a much more angled stance at the basket with my feet almost in a line with it. This seems to be making it much easier to keep my arm on line.
So i've had a similar problem as yours fora while and it was my set-up in general too square to the basket. I basically now work from finish position backwards into a stance and then putt.
It seems to be helping but i'm still whack on consistency and i tend to just lose the whole feeling again mid round a lot, also most of the courses near me have a LOT of hillside and uneven ground greens so getting my stance messed up from that can kill my balance for the rest of the round.

I was trying to get my hip to drive into my plant leg and mimic McBeth in the vid slow linked, but my problem was when I was starting too square to the basket that rear hip drive was actually accentuating the yank to the right. I've been starting lined up like McBeth finishes, then trying to bring my rear foot down into a natural balanced place behind the front, then when I go through the putting motion my hips cock and drive naturally with the weight transfer. When i've got everything comfortable and in rhythm I fee like a world class putter with confidence beyond 20'. When its gone? ugh I feel like I"m putting into a basket with no chains even at 8'.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:31 PM
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With spin putts i'm struggling to not "over open" my wrist, though i have been moderately more successful with them in general. There is just physically less going on. ...
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Are you opening to a handshake? That's a pretty easy stopping point to hit. Just shake hands with your target.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:45 PM
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Spin putts tend to miss right and left; pitch putts tend to miss high and low. I suggest trying both and seeing what clicks with you.

If you have not already done so, check the Technique Sticky and Instructional Videos on putting. Lots of good information in there.

Putting in practice and putting during a round are different. When you practice you throw lots of putts in a row. This allows you to make adjustments. During a round you have quite a bit of time between makeable putts. I find that practicing approach shots and then putting them out is a better simulation of conditions during a round.

A story, for what it is worth. I had been push-putting for years. My push putt was reasonably solid inside 25’ and decent out to 35’. After taking a break for a few months I completely lost the feel for my putt and had to start from scratch.

Since I was starting over I switched to a pitch putt. The new putt is still a work in progress but getting more consistent. The nice thing is that the new putt has much more distance potential.

So what I am saying is this: you can see putting problems as a frustration (and they are!) or you can see putting problems as an opportunity to figure out a really solid putting stroke. Good luck!
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:55 PM
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Watch the consistency in how McBeth drives his back hip into the front hip to shift his whole weight forward. Hips start at like 45 degrees and end at 80+ degrees. On long jump putts he will be completely in line with the target, sometimes backwards slightly.

Thanks for pointing out the angles. My grip locked brain never picked up on it. It looks like Paul is finishing the putts with his shoulders in line with the basket. Is that what you guys are seeing as well?

Nice vertical, especially considering he is jumping off a concrete floor AND getting rim high with the left hand.
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A story, for what it is worth. I had been push-putting for years. My push putt was reasonably solid inside 25’ and decent out to 35’. After taking a break for a few months I completely lost the feel for my putt and had to start from scratch.

Since I was starting over I switched to a pitch putt. The new putt is still a work in progress but getting more consistent. The nice thing is that the new putt has much more distance potential.
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I searched but the first few hits I had, have the pitch and push putt being the same. That's what I've understood. Pitch/Push/Shovel = stiff elbow, little wrist and/or finger action. What motion did you change to go from one term to the other?
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I searched but the first few hits I had, have the pitch and push putt being the same. That's what I've understood. Pitch/Push/Shovel = stiff elbow, little wrist and/or finger action. What motion did you change to go from one term to the other?
Yes terminology is inconsistent. Old (“push”) putt was bent arm, finger pop, but little to no wrist break (not a spin putt).

New putt is more traditional straight(ish) arm pitch putt.

Yeah my old putt was quirky.
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Thanks for pointing out the angles. My grip locked brain never picked up on it. It looks like Paul is finishing the putts with his shoulders in line with the basket. Is that what you guys are seeing as well?
Yeah I never noticed that...but when I go through my putting motion I also end up with my shoulders in line with the target. I was more focusing on getting the rear hip to shift the entire pelvis onto the front leg. So many people start with the pelvis at 45ish degrees, and push directly toward the target and end up on the front leg still with a 45 degree pelvis. It makes them want to keep tipping forward, these people often need to step through when just outside the circle. When you turn the rear hip into the front hip, the entire torso/spine shifts onto the front hip and the back leg just swings around to even out the balance.

I had to concentrate on this back leg swing thing a little at first, it felt better but different. Now it just feels balanced, and if I think about it then I end up overdoing it and my consistency disappears.

The other thing that ruins my consistency is elbow bend amount. If I have zero elbow bend/fully straight arm then I get no power, but if I have slightly too much elbow bend then zero consistency. That's when I really get the left/right misses. For my putts if I have just a slight elbow bend, almost like how it is when you let your arm hang to the side of your body, this gives me enough extra pop on the putt but doesn't mess with my arm swing consistency.

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What helped me was to pay attention to exactly how I line up, I am a slush putter however my form is heavily influenced by Ricky wysocki, after studying multiple forms it proved most effective for me. I line up square but my lead door to points inward slightly, this give my shoulder just enough then to release naturally but still be aiming straight on sandstone different stance
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Try a straddle putt.
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