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Old 02-16-2018, 06:18 PM
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Default Driving or riding to and from starting hole, legal or no?

I was idly thinking about some courses where the lay of the terrain makes it a raging pain to walk to and from the pavilion near hole one of a course, such as when one's shotgun start places them on the opposite side of a forest, ravine, or the like, but there happens to be a circumferential access road and a handy parking lot on the far side.

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3.05 Carts, Caddies and Groups

A. Players are required to walk during their tournament rounds at all PDGA events unless alternate transportation such as golf carts are provided within the regular event entry fee (not as an opt-in) to all players within a single competitive division.
Does this rule disallow a competitor from hopping in their automobile and driving to their starting hole from tournament central? Does it disallow them from doing the same on the return trip, with a completed scorecard in hand?

Does it also disallow being a passenger on such a trip?

I think the key distinction is the use of the phrase "during the round." How is this span of time defined?
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:22 PM
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Does this rule disallow a competitor from hopping in their automobile and driving to their starting hole from tournament central? Does it disallow them from doing the same on the return trip, with a completed scorecard in hand?
Of course not. It also doesn't disallow you from driving your car to the course that morning...

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I think the key distinction is the use of the phrase "during the round." How is this span of time defined?
I reckon from tee off to last putt.

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Old 02-16-2018, 06:23 PM
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I was idly thinking about some courses where the lay of the terrain makes it a raging pain to walk to and from the pavilion near hole one of a course, such as when one's shotgun start places them on the opposite side of a forest, ravine, or the like, but there happens to be a circumferential access road and a handy parking lot on the far side.

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Does this rule disallow a competitor from hopping in their automobile and driving to their starting hole from tournament central? Does it disallow them from doing the same on the return trip, with a completed scorecard in hand?

Does it also disallow being a passenger on such a trip?

I think the key distinction is the use of the phrase "during the round." How is this span of time defined?
I have done this at probly half of the tourneys I have played...
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:26 PM
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I have done this at probly half of the tourneys I have played...
I've done it a few times myself. I'm fond of allowing lots of players to dogpile into the bed of my truck when I do it, as a favor to others. I wonder if I have been mistakenly doing them a disservice.
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Yes, "during the round" would be from the 2-minute warning until the last putt falls. Same as defined in the alcohol possession/consumption rule.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:58 PM
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Yes, "during the round" would be from the 2-minute warning until the last putt falls. Same as defined in the alcohol possession/consumption rule.
Isn't it from the 2 minute warning until the scorecard is turned in? I think that is for alcohol, at least.
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Isn't it from the 2 minute warning until the scorecard is turned in? I think that is for alcohol, at least.
Good question, since you'd probably drive your truck back to tournament central. It does beg a question regarding PDGA's definition of when a tournament round stops and starts.
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Good question, since you'd probably drive your truck back to tournament central. It does beg a question regarding PDGA's definition of when a tournament round stops and starts.
3.03-B.10 Player Misconduct
Possession of alcohol from the start of play until the player’s scorecard is submitted is not allowed.

This is the only mention in the rule book I could find that specifies an action that alludes to an official end of a round. Nothing about final putts or completing the last hole. I might just have some weak sauce search terms.
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How you get to the first tee is your business, as long as you are where you're supposed to be when the tourney starts. You should also be entitled to an appropriate amount of time to get there after the player meeting.

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3.03-B.10 Player Misconduct
Possession of alcohol from the start of play until the player’s scorecard is submitted is not allowed.

This is the only mention in the rule book I could find that specifies an action that alludes to an official end of a round. Nothing about final putts or completing the last hole. I might just have some weak sauce search terms.
The same definition is in the PDGA tobacco policy
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The use of tobacco products by event staff, players, and by extension their caddies, is prohibited at all PDGA Majors and National Tour events, as well as those events held concurrently with those Major and NT events, from the two-minute warning until their scorecard is turned in. This prohibition includes all smoking and chewing tobacco products (excluding nicotine gum) as well as electronic and vapor cigarettes.

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