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OK, quoting this instead of a new thread, but basically, Defy vs. Photon? I bought a Defy to be my Wave companion. After buying a few Waves, I found one(168 Neutron) that is perfect for me in dead wind or slight downwind. It's also great into some wind if I need a long continued turnover since I do not throw forehand. Defy, on paper, was the one. Holy crap did I ever end up with the wrong disc(173). I don't know if I just ended up with one on the more OS side of the curve and not sure what to do now. I see Photons in Fission come in the 160s. I don't want anything really light since this disc is needed for throws my Wave cannot handle. Options?

Try heavier Waves? Proton Wave? Heaviest Fission Photon I can find? Another Defy? Does color matter?
Ain't no freak.

All the Defy's I have are pretty darn OS. Well, depends on the weight. I have 3 max weight and they are lasers with solid HSS and a sharp late fade, the 165g I have has some bend to it but not a lot and always hooks up. Defy in general is stable to OS, so if you want a more stable WAVE, I'd say Max weight Proton Wave, or venture out and try a Tresspass - for me the Trespass was like a more stable wave. Get a Fuzion Trespass at whatever weight you like and the flight will be like that.
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Old 09-26-2017, 01:15 PM
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I have a couple of Trespasses. I like them ok. I just wanted something from the overmolders to go with the wave. I can't really defend it-just something I wanted to do.

I ran the Defy through the dryer just now and tried some tuning/bending. We have not had any decent wind lately for OS disc testing. May have to wait for this front to come through.
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I am in the same boat - looking for a notch-more-stable Wave in the 150s. I ordered a 155 Neutron Defy x 2 for testing, so we will see how it does for my low-300s distance. I expect to have to beat it up a bit, and it may still be a meathook for me. Oh well, I am willing to do my part to support the disc golf industry.

When my throw is on I have no trouble keeping a 155 Neutron Wave on hyzer to flat or slight turn, even in headwinds or downhill. Wave also holds a long anny beautifully, usually with a late flex. As Aim has said, though, the Wave rides the knife-edge of stability vs. understability, so if my throw is off a little bit - holy runaway Wave turnover.

The Wave does surprisingly well as a FH disc, probably because it is so flat I get a clean release. I used to be able to throw FH around 300' but I aggravated an old shoulder injury, and didn't throw FH for a while. I have been throwing lots of putter and mid FH approaches, and I am cautiously adding FH drives back to my game.

Hoping that a beat-up Defy in the 150s is a little more workable than advertised. If not, I may try a low-150s Neutron Wrath. Previously I tried Wrath in the low-160s, but they needed flex to fly like I wanted.

I am a hyzer-flipper and most of my discs are understable so developing flex shot habits is dangerous for me.
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Get you a Fission photon in the 150s and you should be good to go. They crush but are a touch more stable than a wave.
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Thanks! Photon is more workable than Defy?
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Also, low-150s Fission Photon less overstable than low-150s Plasma Photon?

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It's a catch 22. The OS discs don't fly well until they are beat, and when fresh, I don't have a use for them to get them beat lol.
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It's a catch 22. The OS discs don't fly well until they are beat, and when fresh, I don't have a use for them to get them beat lol.
Exactly. The wooded courses I play rarely demand shots other than variations on straight. Big fades usually = further into the rough.

I may be on a fruitless quest for the proverbial "longer Teebird". In my case a seasoned-to-straight-stable 155 DX Teebird. Still my favorite disc ever. If it was just not DX, lol.
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Old 09-26-2017, 03:57 PM
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I may be on a fruitless quest for the proverbial "longer Teebird". In my case a seasoned-to-straight-stable 155 DX Teebird. Still my favorite disc ever. If it was just not DX, lol.
Thunderbird did not work? The Pros are pretty darn straight.

Tried an Opto Falchion?

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Thunderbird did not work? The Pros are pretty darn straight.
Tried a 162 G* Thunderbird. Nice disc, but not magic for me. I did not realize the Thunderbird was out in Pro. Looks like 165 is the lightest Pro ThB, unfortunately.

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Tried an Opto Falchion?
I have not tried a Falchion, although it sounds like a nice disc. I have been throwing S-FDs for years, and worked on different angles they cover most of my straight, fade, mild flex, and headwind lines, without losing much distance to distance drivers. S-FD is my more-durable-seasoned-DX-Teebird substitute.

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