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Old 12-29-2017, 10:08 AM
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The success or failure of these new divisions is entirely in the hands of TDs. Keep that in mind.
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Old 12-29-2017, 10:17 AM
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The success or failure of these new divisions is entirely in the hands of TDs. Keep that in mind.
As it should be... my suspicion is they will exist only at worlds and a few of the huge events. I really see no use for them beyond that.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:17 PM
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The success or failure of these new divisions is entirely in the hands of TDs. Keep that in mind.
Not sure I agree with that. Yes, the TDs need to host the divisions for them to exist, but there needs to be demand for them as well. TDs can't and shouldn't be adding any division in the blind hope that players will sign up for it.

I'm also not sure what exactly determines "success" or "failure" with these divisions. Is "success" seeing them regularly offered/held at most typical B and C-tiers? Is it "failure" if they aren't?

These 55+ and 65+ divisions are going to be treated like most other age-protected divisions (juniors and seniors), and they likely aren't going to go away if they largely go unplayed. The ones that get held the most are going to be the ones that are best populated, meaning a whole lot of them won't be seen at all outside of larger scale events (200+ participants) and age-protected events.

If players want to play these divisions, they're going to have to band together and show up frequently enough to make the demand for them clear. That isn't and shouldn't be up to the TDs.

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Old 12-29-2017, 05:23 PM
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All I'm saying is give them a chance. Offer all the age protected divisions when you can and see what happens. This is new to EVERYONE, and the new divisions and rule changes need to be given time to either succeed or fail. I just want all you TDs to keep an open mind this year, let the situation play itself out, try to work the new divisions into your tourneys whenever possible, see where you are after this year, and go from there.

Of course, if you just don't want us OGs at your tourney, that's fine too. We don't want to be where we're not wanted.
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:21 PM
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Of course, if you just don't want us OGs at your tourney, that's fine too. We don't want to be where we're not wanted.
Oh, come on. At tournaments already offering divisions for 50+, there's a spot for you "OGs" such that adding 55+ wouldn't really make much sense most of the time. Same goes for 60+ and 65+.

As I said upthread, I generally see somewhere between 4-8 players aged 50+ at any of my events. That simply isn't a large enough group of players to justify even considering adding MA55 if I'm already holding an MA50 division. At least not in a C or B-tier with a 72 player cap and 10 other divisions on tap.

Different story if it's an age-protected division only event. Or an event with a capacity for 200+ players. No one is saying that they shouldn't be given a chance there. They're only saying that in events that are already crowded in terms of divisions offered, adding more isn't that practical. Especially when the only result in doing so is subdividing already small divisions.

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Old 12-29-2017, 07:21 PM
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What might be interesting is if a TD decides to offer these divisions only 'on the 5s', i.e. ma55, ma65, (but no ma60), etc. No reason they can't...just hoping they divulge all up front. And hoping there's no 'gamesmanship' done here (although there is now a better chance for such).
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Old 12-29-2017, 07:42 PM
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If there was something for 35 year olds, I'd be happy to play in that division.

I can't wait turn 40.
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Old 12-30-2017, 07:52 AM
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Among the considerations is that each additional division is a little bit of extra work and aggravation for the TD. Depending on how the event is run. At the very least, it's a splintering of groups on the scoreboard, and cobbling together all of the divisions that won't fit all together. And more last-minute requests for changes. If there are some sort of trophies, it means having them on hand, in advance, not knowing whether you'll need them; worse if they're customized by division. It means longer awards ceremonies.

At smaller events, it could also be counterproductive to the players. If you have 5 people age 50-59, and the 2 older than 55 want to play MA55, then the guys left in MA50 may decide it's not worth their time. It's already an issue with the current divisions, getting enough players to make it a worthwhile tournament experience, for those of us who don't feel a competition with just 1 or 2 other people is worth it.

I'm with JC---it's more useful, and more likely to be used, at big events and Masters+ events.
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