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I honestly can't wait for Steve's take on Idlewild.
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Old 08-17-2017, 07:57 PM
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I honestly can't wait for Steve's take on Idlewild.
Yeah, those last three holes seemed under pared. Curious to see how they play tomorrow.
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Old 08-17-2017, 10:32 PM
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I honestly can't wait for Steve's take on Idlewild.
DGPT MPO pars are usually pretty good, so I'll wait for all the data. Perhaps you can keep yourself amused in the meantime by speculation on the minor tweaks that might be considered.

For FPO (I think they played the same layout), it looks like par should be one higher on holes 8, 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18.

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For FPO (I think they played the same layout), it looks like par should be one higher on holes 8, 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18.
They actually did change the par on at least one hole for FPO, but I am unsure how many exactly.
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Old 08-18-2017, 10:17 AM
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They actually did change the par on at least one hole for FPO, but I am unsure how many exactly.
I took the pars from Udisc. They were the same there. The Caddy book shows an A and B tee for hole 4, but I haven't found the special rules where it would say who plays which tee when.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:10 PM
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This is a little late to the discussion, but I finally got to sit down and watch the ledgestone coverage.

I will have to say in my opinion, that is what TDs should be striving for when it comes to par. That's probably one of the best course set ups I've ever seen, if not the best. Aside from a few exceptions, almost all of the holes provided a difficult challenge. Par was an acceptable and oftentimes good score, however all holes provided an opportunity for birdie. This was all done with reasonable and fair roping and a minimum of gimmickiness.

It's clearly possible to satisfy both "close range" and "scoring" par.
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Par at Idlewild was rated an average of about 1010, which would be typical for a course with a typical number of chances to make errors. However, watching the video, I think Idlewild maybe had a lot more than the typical number of chances to make errors. That would translate into a par round needing to be higher rated.

When I ran the hole-by-hole numbers, I got a total par of 63. That would have been rated 1034 which would indicate the course had more opportunities to make errors than almost any other course. So, thatís probably about right.



If I were setting par for this layout for a future tournament, Iíd increase par on holes 13 and 17, and reduce par on holes 1, 2, 4, 11, and 16.
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