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Old 08-14-2018, 11:59 AM
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I think a nicely beat star/champ firebird is pretty close to fresh star Thunderbird.

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Old 08-14-2018, 12:18 PM
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Yeah the Firebird is pretty awesome.. I can do lots of work with a 160 proline, hence my gyro biased counter culture fission Photon vote... I also like the Roadrunner suggestion.. Add a Valk and a Teebird or Thunderbird and you have a pretty solid bag...

This thread probably should have been titled "Twmmcoy's Ode to my new love the Thunderbird" but not as many people would have bit on that.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:34 PM
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I'll admit I'm no Firebird expert, but the few I've thrown haven't been anything like a Thunderbird. MUCH more overstable and a near complete lack of glide. Innova isn't kidding when they rate the glide of the Firebird at 3. its a great headwind disc, but it doesn't go very far for me. I feel like the Thunderbird will cover a larger range of shots than a Firebird, unless you absolutely thrash the Firebird so badly that it starts flying straight (in which case you should probably just start with a new champ Thunderbird).

As for the Flow, I've only thrown 1 of them. I liked it. It actually does fly like a longer Thunderbird. Very domey with little to no high speed turn.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:51 PM
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I'll admit I'm no Firebird expert, but the few I've thrown haven't been anything like a Thunderbird. MUCH more overstable and a near complete lack of glide. Innova isn't kidding when they rate the glide of the Firebird at 3. its a great headwind disc, but it doesn't go very far for me. I feel like the Thunderbird will cover a larger range of shots than a Firebird, unless you absolutely thrash the Firebird so badly that it starts flying straight (in which case you should probably just start with a new champ Thunderbird).
If you see a domey 150 class Firebird give it a try, as an extreme example of what they can be. You can pump them out very straight for a long time, and then they have that late hard Firebird hook up. I've also thrown absolutely thrashed Star Firebirds that flew like a PD...agree though better off starting with a PD/Thunderbird if that disc is lost.
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Old 08-14-2018, 01:08 PM
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I used a Star Firebird for a year and a half as an almost exclusively forehand player on rocky courses. As it beat in, it picked up turn. Kept a pretty dumpy fade until I eventually lost it. But I also never threw it backhand because it would have been far too much for my backhand at that time...

Have you guys that have really beaten in Firebirds gotten them to eventually lose fade? Without picking up a bunch of turn?

It seems to me like the beauty of a Thunderbird or PD is that they're still quite HSS but with reduced LSS compared to a Firebird.

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Old 08-14-2018, 03:11 PM
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I used a Star Firebird for a year and a half as an almost exclusively forehand player on rocky courses. As it beat in, it picked up turn. Kept a pretty dumpy fade until I eventually lost it. But I also never threw it backhand because it would have been far too much for my backhand at that time...

Have you guys that have really beaten in Firebirds gotten them to eventually lose fade? Without picking up a bunch of turn?

It seems to me like the beauty of a Thunderbird or PD is that they're still quite HSS but with reduced LSS compared to a Firebird.



This is exactly why I love the Thunderbird. No real high speed turn, but it also doesn't have a massive late fade. A Thunderbird will carry for a long distance perfectly flat. I think the 2 fade that Innova lists the Thunderbird at is correct. Most Firebirds I've seen seem to fade pretty much right after you release them... hard. Something in the realm of 4 fade.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:00 PM
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Have you guys that have really beaten in Firebirds gotten them to eventually lose fade? Without picking up a bunch of turn?
Imo this disc is a Champion Banshee. It is slower than Firebird, but because of less fade has similar or more distance.

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Old 08-14-2018, 04:14 PM
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I think a nicely beat star/champ firebird is pretty close to fresh star Thunderbird.
I have an early-run Star Thunderbird. It's basically a glide-y Firebird for my noodle arm. Very useful at times, though.


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Imo this disc is a Champion Banshee. It is slower than Firebird, but because of less fade has similar or more distance.
Love the Champion Banshee. My 165g Banshee is "just right" for throwing into the wind or hyzering around obstacles.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:59 PM
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Another mold to consider is pretty obscure: The Monster L. I bought a few X-out champs purely by accident, and they are very straight flyers. All the high speed stability you could want, but very gentle fade. Not a whole lot of glide tho. Just a point and shoot control driver that's not going to do max distance (especially not for a speed 10!) but also not going to surprise you much ever.

I really do think that the Monster L was ahead of it's time; very much a predecessor to the PD and the Thunderbird. Doesn't help that it's one of the rarer "L" molds, so many don't even know they exist or what that even means.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:23 PM
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Slight derail here, but all the L molds are great really. It’s too bad innova doesn’t put much time or effort in to most of them. If they marketed them, and labeled them better they could all do really well.

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