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Old 10-11-2019, 04:14 PM
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Any one try echo star leopards? How do they compare to pro and DX?
Depends on the run. I had a bunch when they had the vertical stamp, and they were pretty stable and very high-glide. Behaved like my fresh Pro Leopards, but stayed there longer. I gave them up because they were too domey, and were out-competed for the "moderate amount of turn" slot by seasoned Teebirds.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:39 PM
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I've got 3 Pro Leopards and none of them are the same. What type of Pro plastic does everybody prefer for their Leopards? I have a slick/hard swirly, softer/grippy swirly, and a soft non swirly one. The hard slick one is pretty OS. The other 2 I'm able to hyzer flip. None of the 3 have made it into my bag. What is the magic in this disc that I'm missing?

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Old 10-13-2019, 12:48 AM
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I've got 3 Pro Leopards and none of them are the same. What type of Pro plastic does everybody prefer for their Leopards? I have a slick/hard swirly, softer/grippy swirly, and a soft non swirly one. The hard slick one is pretty OS. The other 2 I'm able to hyzer flip. None of the 3 have made it into my bag. What is the magic in this disc that I'm missing?
I have a Pro Leo in the bag right now, and it is one of the longest-lived discs I've ever had. Unsurprisingly, I use it for heavy turnovers and rollers. It's an older, stiff, high shouldered PFN. Started off straight to fade with almost no turn, and now it just won't fade for anything. Perfect.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:21 AM
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I've got 3 Pro Leopards and none of them are the same.
I'm in the same boat. I have three Pro Leopards as well, and they all feel like different plastic. 2 are close in feel, but the third feels like Star to me.

I've given up on ordering online, and will only buy Pro Leopards if I can feel them in the store first.

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Old 10-21-2019, 12:46 PM
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As a beginner should I just throw DX Leopards or would Champions be ok? I have a DX but was looking at Champion and heard they are more OS.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:01 PM
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As a beginner should I just throw DX Leopards or would Champions be ok? I have a DX but was looking at Champion and heard they are more OS.
It depends. How far are you throwing your DX Leopard? Are you seeing significant high speed turn from it? Is the DX Leopard new or beat?

My knee-jerk reaction is that you should be throwing the DX Leopard until you can routinely get it past 275'-300'. At that point, a beefier Pro Leopard (or an even beefier Champ or Star) might serve you well.

Be forewarned though... the Champ and Star Leopards are SIGNIFICANTLY more overstable than a decently worn DX Leopard. You might question why they even have the same name. I have some new-ish Champs and Stars that resist turn when I put them out past 350'.

EDIT: I'm glad to hear you are throwing the Leopard. It is a great disc to start with and still remains one of my favorite discs even though I've been playing for 20 years. Its very versatile and remains relevant after your skillset grows.

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Old 10-21-2019, 09:11 PM
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As a beginner should I just throw DX Leopards or would Champions be ok? I have a DX but was looking at Champion and heard they are more OS.
Marmoset's advice above is good, but if you think you'd like a Champion Leopard, give one a try. If you do like the Champ Leo, you will be set for a long, long time (provided you don't lose it, of course) as the Champion plastic will take a long time if ever to change its flight pattern.
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:23 PM
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Yeah, a Champ or Star Leo will behave quite a more stable than a seasoned DX, or even Pro. Very likely that once you got used to both of them, they'd end up filling different slots in your bag and won't overlap as much as you think.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:13 AM
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Be forewarned though... the Champ and Star Leopards are SIGNIFICANTLY more overstable than a decently worn DX Leopard. You might question why they even have the same name. .
Spot on. I prefer my Leopards in Pro, but I still like my Champion Leos too. I don't think of them as Leopards though...for me, they are a milder version of my TL's.

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Old 10-22-2019, 11:15 AM
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I have a Pro Leopard that is more beefy than my champ Eagles. I've been making it my mission to hit as many trees as possible with it :P I'm going on week 3 and it's still stable!!
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