Stop using the power pocket, Stop it!

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by jerkwagon

Did he even throw the disc in these photos or was it "pretend throw for demonstration?" from what i recall (and i could be wrong) he didnt throw in this video, tis been removed from his channel now so i can not confirm.

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by jerkwagon

this

That ^ disclaimer is not on most of his videos, like the one below.

Originally Posted by jerkwagon

Did he even throw the disc in these photos or was it "pretend throw for demonstration?" from what i recall (and i could be wrong) he didnt throw in this video, tis been removed from his channel now so i can not confirm.

The video is still up. Here he is in that video demonstrating how he rotates his left side in the way and how he tries to avoid that rounding by reaching way out, but you can see how his disc is behind his left shoulder which really is rounding. Compared to Paul and every other top pro that has their shoulders still closed to target in the power pocket so that the disc has space to come into the chest and load in more behind the front shoulder/elbow with the left shoulder out of the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjU-SSwXhQ#t=3m48s

Here's the birdeye throw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjU-SSwXhQ#t=8m11s

[Brychanus]

Also wanted to point out the consequence of spin-shifting and the internal torque you'd prefer to have through the legs/hips.

In that image SW shared notice that Paul gets stacked with a bit of his stagger stride (e.g., door frame drills) positioned to leverage the front hip/post up and away from the target. You can see how this dynamic posture is much better at balancing your body while swinging:






I think Paul's an interesting and good example/foil for SS because McBeth tends to get his weight a little more forward than many pros & follow through more on the ball of the foot, but all the big mechanical pieces are there. Due to his spin-shift, SS also gets forward, but needs to use a much harder (and less reliable-looking) brace process to trap any momentum. Looks a little rougher on the back to my eye fwiw.

When SS enters follow through you can see the consequence of getting the swing out ahead of the hips. When his plant lands, he has to resist the ground hard in the plant, and his tilted axis is flattened out because part of his brace is just helping prevent his body from going flying forward off balance, which is also why his leg swings around a bit more wild into the follow through than top throwers. Notice how this throws the relative angles of his spine and plant leg out of whack, and his tilted axis is quite different than Paul's. I can't get perfect comparisons but here are a few examples.







Some of Paul's throws and slightly different rear angles:

[Sheep]

Originally Posted by foxdawg10

I could never do a dead lift until I realized it is the core and legs that anchor the movement, not the foot.

I had a bad trainer who tried teaching me to use my feet to support the movement. This was putting too much strain on my feet and causing balance issues.

I did my own research and once I started focusing on the core, everything else fell into place. There are many transferable concepts across many athletic endeavors. There is no sense in reinventing the wheel.

That's one of my largest points.
We got a wheel, it works. We can make the wheel run smoother, that's all were looking for to happen. How to make the wheel turn effortless.

The joke is the dude is trying to re-invent the wheel.


As for the body/core/feet thing.
It makes sense, though, your feet are still important. Your legs cannot do much of anything with them, but they are not super strong lifting muscles. You use them for balance while lifting, not for power. Gotta let them do their job so everythign else can do what it supposed to do.

[Sheep]

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

Here's the birdeye throw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjU-SSwXhQ#t=8m11s

All I can think about with the hugging things now is "stop hugging yourself, stop hugging yourself"
Like when you take your buddies hand by the wrist and start slapping him with his own hand. "stop hitting yourself."


My new discgolf teaching shirt. "Hug trees, not yourself"

[seedlings]

The reason T’s videos contradict thoughtful descriptions of the disc golf throw is so that his instruction will seem different. By seeming different it can be perceived/marketed as better. If T taught throwing similarly to SW22/OT, there would no reason to watch him, let alone pay him.

Note: I’m not saying OT and SW22 are 100% the same (they’re not), only that there is significant overlap when compared to T. I said a year or two ago that someone would eventually come in and do very solid Disc Golf from teaching WITH high quality production. SW22 has best content for teaching throw mechanics. OT has the best mix of teaching and production. T has neither (which also sets him apart, lol).

[Sheep]

Originally Posted by seedlings

The reason T’s videos contradict thoughtful descriptions of the disc golf throw is so that his instruction will seem different. By seeming different it can be perceived/marketed as better. If T taught throwing similarly to SW22/OT, there would no reason to watch him, let alone pay him.

Note: I’m not saying OT and SW22 are 100% the same (they’re not), only that there is significant overlap when compared to T. I said a year or two ago that someone would eventually come in and do very solid Disc Golf from teaching WITH high quality production. SW22 has best content for teaching throw mechanics. OT has the best mix of teaching and production. T has neither (which also sets him apart, lol).

While I think Josh does a good job. I think he misses a ton of important stuff.
The main reason that he has the following he does now though is because the production quality is SO high. Not to put aside anything else though. Some of his initial video's are things that a few of us have been teaching for a long while, but there were not high production quality videos out there on them.
So it brought a draw to everyone as "something new" which is what you're talking about there.
Partnered along with the production quality people are gonna instantly subscribe because the video's are enjoyable to watch.

Most disc golf content is the same thing being explained different ways. And thats fine. We each have our methods.

But it's also pretty important to recognize if you're doing it out of passion or for a paycheck.

And.. While OT does put out good content. They are doing it for a paycheck. Otherwise they would be in places like this trying to gleen every little bit of information out there by talking shop all the time with everyone to get the largest picture possible.

Thats really what makes SW so dangerous. He's watched it all from so many sports that he has a brain chocked full of bad and good info to make him an authority of information.

You can only get that by study and discussion.
Sailing your own way will never get you there, ... well you might get there eventually, but its way easier if you talk with others along the way.