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Old 02-21-2011, 02:10 PM
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Very little obvious cheating occurs in the Pro divisions.
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:11 PM
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Very little obvious cheating occurs in the Pro divisions.
Do you care to elaborate, Chris?

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Old 02-21-2011, 02:14 PM
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One of the things I'll do if necessary regarding scoring is rather than ask the player to call out their score, I'll say something like, "Dan, I've got you for a 4, correct?" Fortunately, in my division, that's rarely necessary. However, as we age, it becomes clear that summoning the memory of everyone in the group is sometimes necessary when playing those gold courses in the woods to remember all of those shots (cough, Iron Hill...)
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:19 PM
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Personally I think double scorecards ought to be mandatory for rec and novice divisions along with specific instructions on the proper method to take the scores.
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:21 PM
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Very little obvious cheating occurs in the Pro divisions.
These are secret tricks used by pros once you get there, especially if you travel together such as the one mulligan per round.
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:23 PM
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Do you care to elaborate, Chris?

Blatant, obvious stuff like falling putts rarely happen. On larger courses where the players are spread out to throw their shots I have noticed generous foot placements. All I can do is make my best effort to follow the rules to the best of my ability. I'm casual but will make comments to other players to be aware that i'm watching. I will also correct your score if you are wrong.
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Old 02-21-2011, 02:38 PM
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I would definitely mention the minor things to people just so they are aware but sometimes people just don't care :/. And always question someones score if you feel they are announcing the incorrect score sometimes people just forget their shots especially if there is a backup.
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:18 PM
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If it's a PDGA event, you can remind the TD to provide you an event evaluation form where you can indicate he did not enforce the rules regarding scores, for example. That might move the TD to act on the scoring problem.
Yes it was a PDGA 2 day event. I did not know about event evaluation forms. The 25 min card rule is really tough. I suspect the TDS would be more willing to enforce it if it was just one player who got the 2 stroke penalty and not the whole card. By the way when is a rule a rule and when is it a TD judgement call? In other words does the TD have the right to say " yes that is in the rulebook but...."
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:32 PM
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1. players not putting foot behind the mini, standing on top of the mini
2. foot faults during teeing off

I honestly could care less if someone on my card does either of these things throughout the entire round. Not only does it NOT help them in anyway, but to pay attention to what they are doing instead of focusing on what you are doing is a disservice to yourself.

3. excessive profanity

I find this comical most times, unless there are children around, then its disrespectful. It's fun to see fellow competitors struggle at times, and the fact that they let their emotions get the better of them makes it even funnier, and says a lot about that person!

4. calling out wrong score multiple times

In a division above Rec. I would consider this cheating. If they did it once, I'd say in a joking manner "looks like were gonna have to watch this guy!" It always results in a smile from the offender, and always corrects the problem.

5. player card turned in well past the 25 minute limit
6. no penalty for incorrect score that was turned in

These rulings are to be decided by the TD, not the competitors. From my experience, non-sanctioned tourneys will be more lenient on such rulings, where a PDGA A-tier, would be happy to dish out penalty strokes.

My advice; focus on yourself, master your technique. When you see these same cheaters next year, shooting the same scores in the same division they are in today, you'll be glad you did!
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:36 PM
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I used to feel uneasy about calling players on some rule violations. Then I became a TD. I'll enforce every one of them. I even make it a point to mention the profanity rule...pointing out that we're in public park and there will be other people, not part of the tournament, in the park and we are guests.

In lower divisions, I would assume that a lot of players are unaware of all the rules.
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