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Old 01-11-2013, 12:20 PM
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I guess my point isn't coming across well, or I'm just way off the mark. So, you suggest there are discs out there which can pass the PDGA flex guidelines, but would be irrepairable if flexed a little bit while attempting to measure the tension with a fishing scale?
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:36 PM
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I just imagined pdga officials running up to someone while they're going for a putt and snapping their disc in half.. lol
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:42 PM
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You would think you could use a spring scale (fishing scale) to measure flex. Something as simple as "secure disc, set fulcrum point at middle of disc, attach spring scale. (Hook it under rim) Pull on scale until disc deflects 1". (Or 0.5", or 12mm, whatever) If spring gauge reads under X lbs, (kg, whatever), it's legit. No need to destroy a disc, if you pull and the gauge reads above X before deflecting enough, you quit, disc isn't broken, but it fails. The only gear needed is a square with ruler markings and the fishing scale.
I'm not saying this should be a TD's responsibility, just spitballing ways it could he done at home or in the field.
The problem is that all that stuff needs to calibrated and certified. You not only need a certified and calibrated instrument to find the "middle" of the disc, you need another one to measure 1" and another one to measure the X lbs. Those instruments all need to be re certified and calibrated every so often too.

Also, bending the rim like that is almost certainly a post manufacturing modification that some would say makes the disc illegal. So one guy calls out your disc for being too stiff and then another claims it's illegal no matter what the results of the flex test are.

Disc manufacturing was clearly not thought of when the tech standards were put in place. Without proper policing by the PDGA it makes many of the rules near pointless as illustrated by threads like this.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:53 PM
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I have read most of the thread and my first thought is that if you are going to have this standard it would not be that big of an issue to fix as far as monitoring.

Step 1
You just need the TDs to have a decent idea of how much pressure it takes to flex a disc to be illegal. (I see no need for a technical device for measuring this being on location for tournaments. Umpires. Referees, line Judges make judgment calls all the time its part of sports. What is the worst that can happen, you do not get to use a certain Disc.)

Step 2
At A tier events have discs checked for 1 year or whatever time frame you would like. This will give players visual info on what it takes for discs to be legal and illegal. (No need to do below A tier as I believe this standard will trickle down eventually)

Step 3 as people get mad because discs were determined as illegal they will put pressure on the manufactures of the discs. Also I would have a section on the PDGA website warning players which discs were marked as illegal. This would inform players what discs to be on the watch for.

Step 4
No system is perfect and people will cheat look at baseball. You need to be smart and not do crazy things but put some system in place and keep tuning it till it becomes something you can live with.

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Old 01-11-2013, 01:58 PM
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I know Craton's Mythbusters post was sarcastic, but something like that could put a lot of complaints/concerns to rest.
It wasn't sarcastic in the least. I just got sick of hearing everyone saying one of three things, and no one making progress. I think it's a great idea. No sarcasm.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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PDGA ban = dick move (and a little bit shady)
Whole situation = retarded

Stupid rule.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:21 PM
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It wasn't sarcastic in the least. I just got sick of hearing everyone saying one of three things, and no one making progress. I think it's a great idea. No sarcasm.
I apologize for the misunderstanding, and I agree. It's a great idea. Knowing whether or not a putter would do damage would either shut me up or solidify my position. Either way, I'd rather have concrete facts even if it meant having to abandon my G9i's altogether.

I would like to see seasoned and new discs tested too if possible.

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Old 01-11-2013, 02:46 PM
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DG on Mythbusters? I don't think Mythbusters is filming new episodes.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:54 PM
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Perhaps Time Warp would work, throwing various discs in different firmnesses at a head analogue in really slow motion could be fun and educational.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:07 PM
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I guess it comes down to this. Are current Medium Wizards legal but Gateway just can't make new ones that stiff? Or could there be illegal disc out there right now that we could get called on.

I think it's complete BS if you can't use currently manufactured and sold discs. I have ZERO issue with PDGA telling any manufacturer to stop creating a disc due to out of spec. But if my disc says PDGA APPROVED, and I have done no modifications beyond normal wear and tear, and my disc is judged as illegal, I'd be having some pretty irate conversations about getting a bunch of money back. (disc purchase price, tourney entry fees if DQ'd due to disc, lodging and travel for that same tourney)

Seems like the manufacturers need to be held to the fire a bit about inconsistency in their molding, and adherence to the rules. But that costs money. I think the manufacturers should have to pay for this as well.

I doubt, mainly due to the lack of violations in general, that anyone would call out a guy for a disc violation. I'll tell you I will NEVER second an illegal disc call (are seconds even required in that?) Unless there is an obvious defect (big hole, etc)
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