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Old 04-01-2018, 05:25 PM
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Old 04-01-2018, 06:49 PM
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I am a big fan of Ti plastic. I may end up ordering a Ti Heat as almost all the Ti discs I have seen have less dome.
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I agree, I think Ti plastic is the most durable, slick as glass, plastic I have ever seen. It just slides through the air, I love it!
Another for Ti plastic. I'd probably be bagging more Discraft if more of their discs had been in plentiful Ti supply in colors that were easy enough to find...
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Old 04-01-2018, 07:24 PM
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That's my worry. Don't want to commit if that's how they are. I prefer ESP & Z. The Heat is offered in both of those so I just wanted to hear more feedback before I buy a few.
Sidewinders are great, but as with a lot of Innova's discs.. they are best picked out in person.

I had a couple factory second star sidewinders sent to me from the pro shop and they were exactly what i was hoping for, but I suppose I got lucky.

They generally seem to be more stable when the plastic is stiffer (star) and have a pop top.

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Old 04-01-2018, 07:32 PM
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I've thrown a few Z Heat, one was an AR. Make sure you get your hands on one first. One thing about them is that they're definitely a bit unique. There's a pretty definite dome that some folks will simply not like. As far as flight, I can't speak too much as to how they compare to Sidewinders, but they're probably in the same speed class. Great glide, not really flippy but like some hyzer, and do have some end fade. The three Z's I've tried all act the same, including the AR.
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Old 04-01-2018, 07:36 PM
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Out of Discrafts lineup I think the Avenger SS is a better match to the Sidewinder.
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Old 04-01-2018, 07:45 PM
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Out of Discrafts lineup I think the Avenger SS is a better match to the Sidewinder.
In my experience that is true for Star Sidewinders. However, I've found my Champion Sidewinders to be more stable than my AvengerSSes, which are in Ti and Z plastics.
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Old 04-01-2018, 09:09 PM
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I think the Heat and Sidewinder are both pretty good speed 9 discs. The Heat seems to be a bit of a straighter flier, with less late fade. Both are somewhat understable and will flip over if you throw them too hard or into a headwind.

I get slightly better distance with a Heat, likely because it glides better than a Sidewinder.

I'd probably choose the Heat if I had to pick one or the other. I find that Heats work better for soft finesse shots than Sidewinders as well. Very versatile disc. Good downwind distance glider.

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Old 04-02-2018, 03:08 PM
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I would also mention that the Heat is available in nice X plastic, whereas pro SWs are conspicuously missing from the lineup.

Heats have that chubby Roadrunner-style convex lower wing, with a tiny bead on the inner lip.

I think a beefy SW is probably more stable than a beefy Heat, for what it's worth.

For me, SWs get the nod because I feel more comfortable bagging them next to other Innova speed 9s. If you don't mind bagging Z and ESP next to champ and star thundies and valks, then boom, I might have to recommend the Heat.
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Old 04-02-2018, 10:54 PM
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Heats fly a bit more neutral and straighter whereas SWs usually have more natural S-curve in them unless it's one of those Teebird stable ones. I'd say from most to least understable they'd generally group out as: Valk - Z Heat - Sidewinder. Big Z Heats are pretty interchangeable with Valks.
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:47 AM
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I have a beat champ 168 sidewinder and it is a thing of beauty. One of my favorite control discs for long straight to S turn shots. Never held or thrown a Heat but I have had 2 champ sidewinders and a star sidewinder. I like the champs bc I feel that I have more control over them. Stars can be very flippy.
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