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Old 12-15-2015, 02:50 PM
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Oh, and Boatman is very overstable.
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Old 12-15-2015, 02:58 PM
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I always found the Sword too understable - takes to turning much easier than expected. When hyzerflipped, it can get some great distance, but I prefer being able to hold a flat release and keeping a straighter line. I found the same problem (to an even greater extent) with the Renegade. I think Trilogy's sweet spot for drivers are the Trespass/Flow for distance and Metalflake Elasto Sampo/Fusion Escape for slightly shorter controlled shots. For lower speeds I'll stick with my Prodigy.
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Old 12-15-2015, 05:35 PM
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Sword is a disc that will tell you where you are at power-wise.

I have an Air Version that has become flippy for me, and an upper 160s VIP that is not.

Like this disc as my high speed disc, kind of what the Wraith used to be for me.
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Old 12-15-2015, 05:59 PM
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Oh, and Boatman is very overstable.
I found a 166gm VIP Orange Sparkle Boatman for Uber cheap. I picked it up expecting it to be stable with a nice fade, for my arm speed, even being lighter. I threw it for the first time today on a 365ft open hole. It flexed out and dropped just short of where my Sword landed. I was NOT expecting to turn a Boatman at all after hearing about how stable they are all the time.
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Old 12-15-2015, 08:45 PM
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The two I had flew like fresh Champ Orcs.
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Old 12-15-2015, 09:50 PM
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I pity the fool that doesn't like throwing Swords.
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Old 12-15-2015, 10:37 PM
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The Sword is a hyzer-flip machine; I like to power mine hard on a hyzer and let it flip up to straight ... less hyzer and I get a predictable flip up and late turn. The VIP Sword tends to have more HSS - the TP better for long turns that hold the line to the ground. Not a disc I'd use a bunch in a headwind, but my favorite driver for sure.
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Old 12-16-2015, 12:04 AM
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Swords, unless max weight and pop top, throw like rollers or giant sky anny discs. I've got a pink 170 vip that with a strong hyzer release at full power just flips over to roller after getting to flat. I have a 173 that is more stable, but its still not reliable in much more than a breeze. Of course I'm also trying to throw them 400ft. I was hoping the sword would be a faster flow.....
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:56 AM
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Yeah you want the poppy top high PLH ones for stability.
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:23 PM
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Hey everyone so I have a comparison/recommendation question regarding the sword!

First off, I'm a noodle arm! I can throw my fairway drivers (Tern, Seer, Hatchet, stuff like that) about 280, maybe a little over. My distance drivers (blizz Boss, champ Tern, Crank SS, etc.) 300 - 320 or a bit more on a good day. So I was looking into getting a driver that is pretty reliable and not to understable since my blizzard Boss is pretty well beat in since it was a hand me down, but its still not truly understable by any means, although i can get it to keep right if I snap the hell out of it and there's any kind of a descent breeze. I'm looking for something that's not a meat hook that I can shoot fairly straight with not a lot of turn and a descent fade, this let me to think about a 169g VIP Sword, or a DD Hysteria. I know westside/lat numbers tend to be more understable than advertised, so I was thinking the VIP plastic will make up for that. from what I gather these two discs are rated the same except +1 speed for the sword, but I am guessing that the DD hysteria is a lot truer to the numbers. But that westside glide is nothing to scoff at!! Since I'm not exactly a power arm I was thinking a VIP sword would be a good fit for this slot in my bag because the distance potential seems to be much higher with just +1 speed between these two discs. my 168 12x champ tern is a great disc, but the thinner rim isn't quite as comfortable for me to drive with as some slightly wider stuff. I dont have big hands, just like being able to get a good grip! Thoughts?!
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