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Depends on which one you got with the old Wasps. They were all over the map. Probably why they stopped running them.
Yeah but that was due in part to the plastic too, I mean old Pre Ace Race 2007 ESP was the best, then 2007 to very early 2008 was the FLX without being labeled FLX then they had in 2008 The year of only FLX ESP plastic from Discraft and then 2009-till the Swirl ESP came out in 2017-2018 the ESP was like a 3x or 4x as durable X when the old Pre Ace Race 2007 was more like Proline plastic. So from 2009-til 2017-2018 when the swirl ESP came out, the plastic could make molds have variability in some molds. This is why the XL also was dropped after 2009 in ESP, the mold either came out domed or normal and most did not want the dome as the mold in that 2009-2016 or 2017 when swirl came out. Same for the 2009- till swirl came out discs of the Wasp the mold did not mold up well in that plastic making the mold fly off.
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Old 04-06-2020, 06:30 PM
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The never ending struggle continues, you guys have convinced me to put my shakey Z Wasp back in the bag in lieu of the Buzzz...again. Gonna see if the Wasp glides better than the Buzzz. Sorry Grip, I'm not a fan of the recent ESP plastic.
All good about the ESP! We're all different.

Wasp does glide more than a Buzzz IMO but my thing forever was the fact that I don't need glide. Also weird a more overstable disc does glide more...seems counterintuitive (TIL that's one word). I liked the projectile style of Buzzz throwing and not letting discs get the chance to fade too much. Might be due to my Rattler resurgence, might be who knows what, but recently my disc golf mentality has changed. Discing up and powering down more, playing more true turn/glide/fade, and just generally trying to make different decisions than I used to hone in on in years past. Younger me absolutely had better skill than I do now (used to play 5-10 rounds per week), but older me has the wisdom to change. Not sure why I'm rambling? I digress. Here's a photo from today:

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Old 04-06-2020, 08:23 PM
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Oddly enough I prefer Champ style plastics overall but adore ESP, and this is a great run of it
Same here about the champ/Z plastic. I love it and it's basically the only premium plastic I ever throw. I do like the feel of the esp wasp I just picked up though. Now I'll have to test it on Friday or Saturday, it'll be a sweltering 45 degrees out.

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Old 04-06-2020, 11:35 PM
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Even though the Big Z Wasps came out domey I love mine. Flies like my flat Z but with a bit more glide and fade. Has anyone who has thrown the new ESP, thrown the Big Z, and how do the compare? I really like the ESP that my FR PP Stalker was run in, and a Wasp in that blend would be the bee's knees.

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Old 04-06-2020, 11:42 PM
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I was curious about the Big Z wasps too. I almost bought one but decided to wait for the ESPs to come out. Damn Discraft and all their pretty Ledgestone stuff I don't need but buy anyway.

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Old 04-07-2020, 10:43 AM
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Got this beauty on yesterday. Slightly flexible plate but the rim is still frim. More flashing than normal but not sharp. Good stability with good glide.

I am very excited to see how this flies once broken in. I would like to get a cycle going as it will be another 10 years before my Z Wasp loses stability, which is good as the ESP should break in faster.

Interesting, I took pics of my Ledgestone Comet last year in the same lilac tree in bloom last year.

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Old 04-07-2020, 01:17 PM
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I'm glad everyone is liking the new runs. I thought the wasp was on the ropes for a little while with the Malta coming out, and the wasp being seemingly unavailable at many major online retailers.
I feel more confident in its staying power given the popularity of the ledgestone runs and Discraft allowing Hammes to use it for his tour disc. It was my first midrange, I'd hate for it to go oop.

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Old 04-07-2020, 02:15 PM
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All these people with new ledgestone esp wasps, and I'm still trying to break in my 2018 swirl glow esp wasp. It's still quite stable.

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Interesting, I took pics of my Ledgestone Comet last year in the same lilac tree in bloom last year.
I'm jealous your lilacs are already blooming! I have a big lilac tree in my backyard, and it's not going to bloom for probably another 4-6 weeks

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Old 04-08-2020, 01:48 AM
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All these people with new ledgestone esp wasps, and I'm still trying to break in my 2018 swirl glow esp wasp. It's still quite stable.



I'm jealous your lilacs are already blooming! I have a big lilac tree in my backyard, and it's not going to bloom for probably another 4-6 weeks
Same with my huge bush Lilac with inner most branch part the diameter of the smallest size for a PDGA mini, but Weather in my area is due to how the snow keeps coming back for a few days mostly one or two on the weekend. You in Madison are zone 5 and my area is zone 4 but occasional hot hot no rain summers and almost zone 3 some really really strong winters you will lose plants that are not established in the ground that are zone 4. some stuff is blooming already like the Honey-berry a Zone 3, is an Acidic soil replacement for the alkaline soil Bluebrry and the Gooseberry zone 4-3 depending on cultivar, wait until those are a dark black or brown color to eat and they are very very sweet or they are very sour.
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All these people with new ledgestone esp wasps, and I'm still trying to break in my 2018 swirl glow esp wasp. It's still quite stable.



I'm jealous your lilacs are already blooming! I have a big lilac tree in my backyard, and it's not going to bloom for probably another 4-6 weeks
I remember feeling those up at the Ledgestone flymart in 2018 and liking them. Couldn't pull the trigger on 'em at $20 a pop.
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