Breaking Bad Timing Habit

[Melonhusk]

Took some more videos on the course today, felt pretty lost with my backhand unfortunately! I was trying to incorporate this feeling:



because I still feel like at the best of times I'm just sort of "falling" into the plant, instead of being coiled up on the rear leg and stepping purposefully. When it feels like I'm doing that, I'm actually getting stuck on the back leg. But that video made sense to me, so I was giving that a try. I was also trying to fix the spine problem/engage the abs and glutes more but not sure how I did with that. Unfortunately the left arm stuff went out the window, but I guess you can only focus on so much!

Two things made me feel lost - one, not very much power. Felt like the disc was only moving as fast as my arm if you know what I mean. The main thing though was I had no idea where the disc was going. For clarity's sake in the video I've annotated which direction the miss was, if there was a miss. Mostly the miss was late.

The thing is, watching the video back I can see clearly my body putting itself in a position to release late - but I can't see why, or how to fix it. Maybe it's my head turning forward too early? Or my shoulders turned back enough? Anyway, something was very off.



I'd like to stop doing all that twitchy stuff before I throw, though I know it's just because I'm overthinking it and getting all tied up. Can't be helping, though.

[sidewinder22]

1st pic is top of backswing, your rear knee is severely bent so your pelvis is jammed from turning/swinging back and preventing shoulders from turning/swinging back behind your chin, the rear knee must extend/levitate body in backswing to provide a post in order to turn everything back. You also stomp flat footed into your front heel first before toes/instep plant. Note how tall and extended my legs are and butt facing target shoulders swung back behind chin. Need to swing the battering ram back behind you and levitate it, if you want to use it's weight and gravity to effortlessly pound thru a door with it.

2nd pic is going into the practice hit, your front leg is collapsing and your body is falling/collapsing down over it and spinning everything out as your rear knee extended in the forward swing instead of backswing. Note how I'm standing up stacked up on front ankle, knee and hip and pelvis is still closed and rear leg went from extended to slightly flexed. When you stand up on your front hip(and rear leg in backswing) it will likely feel very weird to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy1HNMfhbk#t=6m57s

[Melonhusk]

Is it an issue of not extending my leg at the right time? I think I was trying to emulate this sort of position:



but I'm sure they're doing it in a different way. Is it just about getting the extension before the plant happens, so there's time to "levitate the battering ram"?

Also just so I understand, by stacked on your front ankle do you mean your weight is sort of more "forward" on that foot, as in towards your toes? That looks like what I'm seeing in the second picture of your throw.

It's wild to me how in that screengrab, everything about my positioning says I was aiming way off to the right, where I threw it. But in my mind I was lining up about 20 degrees left of that, where my head is pointing.

I'll have to revisit the battering ram video and crush the can, thanks as always!

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by Melonhusk

Is it an issue of not extending my leg at the right time? I think I was trying to emulate this sort of position:

but I'm sure they're doing it in a different way. Is it just about getting the extension before the plant happens, so there's time to "levitate the battering ram"?

Also just so I understand, by stacked on your front ankle do you mean your weight is sort of more "forward" on that foot, as in towards your toes? That looks like what I'm seeing in the second picture of your throw.

It's wild to me how in that screengrab, everything about my positioning says I was aiming way off to the right, where I threw it. But in my mind I was lining up about 20 degrees left of that, where my head is pointing.

I'll have to revisit the battering ram video and crush the can, thanks as always!

Correct, you are bending/collapsing your knees out of tune or rhythm or timing or sequence to the swing. You need to stand/brace up your posture resisting against the pull of gravity into the ground vertically and the pull of the swing momentum horizontally like Olympic Hammer Thrower. Knees should be doing opposite or reciprocal of each other like walking or running or skating, one bends, while other extends, not bending both knees together unless your feet are together.

[Melonhusk]

Yeah, dang that really is it isn't it, keeping the tension vertically as well as horizontally. I feel like I always have a hard time feeling the "weight" in at least one of those two directions.

Incidentally, I think Adam Hammes' revamped form has a good visualization of that. I don't know enough to know how optimal his mechanics are in their totality, but one thing I do notice is how exaggerated he is in getting up high on his back leg, extended, and also in how he swings his shoulder under his chin. He's become one of the further throwers these days it seems like. Timestamp:

https://youtu.be/Y896C27WuLs?t=566

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by Melonhusk

Yeah, dang that really is it isn't it, keeping the tension vertically as well as horizontally. I feel like I always have a hard time feeling the "weight" in at least one of those two directions.

Incidentally, I think Adam Hammes' revamped form has a good visualization of that. I don't know enough to know how optimal his mechanics are in their totality, but one thing I do notice is how exaggerated he is in getting up high on his back leg, extended, and also in how he swings his shoulder under his chin. He's become one of the further throwers these days it seems like. Timestamp:

https://youtu.be/Y896C27WuLs?t=566

Funny I was just analyzing all those guys on that exact hole and really took notice of Adam on that one. They all smash. Rick's form is really is really cool to watch on that, looks like he is turning a steering wheel/disc as his heel plants. His arm/wrist uncoil around the disc as the disc lags behind his drop into the plant taking out any slack.

[Melonhusk]

Yeah, I thought of that hole right away because last year Eagle hit the tree line with probably 150 feet of steam left:

https://youtu.be/qxWauiAd-Nk?t=602

which seemed completely incomprehensible, and then this year he and Adam and Rick all got down the hill. To me I think what really sticks out about Adam is he looks like he's throwing something heavier than a disc. Kyle Klein has that too, I think.

I see what you mean about Ricky sort of uncoiling his wrist as he plants. Do you think there should be a sense of "reaching" with the arm as you plant, or should that arm feel more just suspended weightless, and then have the slack taken out by the forward move? Someone like Eagle looks like he's reaching, someone like Calvin or Seppo more the second option, Ricky sort of looks like he's doing both. I'm guessing whatever you feel in the shoulder is more important than what you feel in the arm?

[lostDoughnut]

this thread really helped me out on how the rear leg, trail leg, drive leg, your left leg should move

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=137173

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by Melonhusk

Yeah, I thought of that hole right away because last year Eagle hit the tree line with probably 150 feet of steam left:

https://youtu.be/qxWauiAd-Nk?t=602

which seemed completely incomprehensible, and then this year he and Adam and Rick all got down the hill. To me I think what really sticks out about Adam is he looks like he's throwing something heavier than a disc. Kyle Klein has that too, I think.

I see what you mean about Ricky sort of uncoiling his wrist as he plants. Do you think there should be a sense of "reaching" with the arm as you plant, or should that arm feel more just suspended weightless, and then have the slack taken out by the forward move? Someone like Eagle looks like he's reaching, someone like Calvin or Seppo more the second option, Ricky sort of looks like he's doing both. I'm guessing whatever you feel in the shoulder is more important than what you feel in the arm?

Yeah, Adam and Kyle and GG have a very heavy looking backswing as they get wound up really far in the torso.

Correct, there's a couple different styles of backswing, play around with them. I was messing around with Rick's form today and had some of the longest shots I've ever seen on couple holes. I could see the steering wheel happening as I lag the disc and then it's gone!

[Melonhusk]

Well I shall have to play with this steering wheel idea, though it’s probably a bit more advanced than I need to be worrying about.