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Old 01-10-2018, 03:59 PM
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The most OS Comet I have ever thrown is a 165-166 Z. More OS than my Ledgestone Ti at 177.
My 150 class Plasma Crave has more lss than my 173 Plasma with approx the same hss.

Thats just the 2 that sometimes live in my bag
But the reason for their overstability isn't the increase in weight. It probably has something to do with the plastic or the specific mold (PLH for example). More weight alone won't make a disc less stable. Heavier discs CAN be less stable, but for reasons other than weight.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:30 PM
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Bottom line: heavier + stable, lighter - stable.
Not at all.

the lighter one often just has more glide when talking about stable to OS molds for sure. Especially slower molds.

But yes as answered already many US molds become less predictable the lighter they are. I think this is more a design/physics/flight thing i dont get due to low wts. Makes no sense once you cross the stability lines and certain molds.

I have had 150 class drivers be more LSS vs 175 in same mold. Even US mid being 15g difference but one has dome vs flat and fly the same. Even matching PLH can be deceiving.

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Old 01-10-2018, 04:36 PM
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But the reason for their overstability isn't the increase in weight. It probably has something to do with the plastic or the specific mold (PLH for example). More weight alone won't make a disc less stable. Heavier discs CAN be less stable, but for reasons other than weight.
I never claimed it did.
I simply was pointing out that stability has no direct correlation with weight.

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Old 01-10-2018, 06:13 PM
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I agree...because the actual PLH(airflow seperation) is not always the same appearent PLH(mold seperation)
Call it Stagnation Point Height.

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Old 01-10-2018, 06:15 PM
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I've never seen or thrown a disc of any mold that the lighter version was more over stable than it's heavier version. Would be cool to list a few discs/molds/etc that share this interesting trait. Thx.

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Old 01-10-2018, 06:27 PM
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I own 14 Eagle-Xs .
My most stable is a 148gr Star. The thing is close to a firebird with more glide.

My most stable Surge is a 164 ESP

And I have a 156 Teebird that I have given up on, it's as stable as a new champion Banshee.

These are all discs i bought in hopes of getting a little better distance out of in lighter weight. Didn't turn out that way for these three.

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Old 01-10-2018, 07:56 PM
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Call it Stagnation Point Height.
I knew the concept but not the term.
This will make research much easier.

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I've never seen or thrown a disc of any mold that the lighter version was more over stable than it's heavier version. Would be cool to list a few discs/molds/etc that share this interesting trait. Thx.
I wouldn't call it a trait so much as an irregularity. I don't know what specific molds were involved, but there were cases with Innova's Star Lite plastic where 165g specimens were more OS than their 169g counterparts. And I can't recall the exact molds, but I've had issues where a rogue run of a disc happened where a lighter weight disc was more OS or a heavier one turned out flippier than advertised.
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I wouldn't call it a trait so much as an irregularity. I don't know what specific molds were involved, but there were cases with Innova's Star Lite plastic where 165g specimens were more OS than their 169g counterparts. And I can't recall the exact molds, but I've had issues where a rogue run of a disc happened where a lighter weight disc was more OS or a heavier one turned out flippier than advertised.
I'd be willing to bet those exceptions to the rule had more to do with differences in PLH than they did with weight. As has been mentioned in this and other threads, PLH seems to affect stability more than weight does.

In our discussions about how various physical attributes affect disc flight, as given attribute is allowed to vary from one end of the spectrum to another, we tend frame the conversation within the premise of "all other things being equal," when in reality, seldom is that the case.

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Old 01-11-2018, 09:31 AM
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I wouldn't call it a trait so much as an irregularity. I don't know what specific molds were involved, but there were cases with Innova's Star Lite plastic where 165g specimens were more OS than their 169g counterparts. And I can't recall the exact molds, but I've had issues where a rogue run of a disc happened where a lighter weight disc was more OS or a heavier one turned out flippier than advertised.
ahh..ok... thx for clearing that up.
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