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Old 11-17-2020, 11:19 PM
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I still don't understand how a smaller basket increases disc golf drama. Old man has said repeatedly it will be an across the board lowering of made putts. The top 5 players all made between 86-88% c1x and finished top 10 in that stat over the season.

So basicly you would get the same results, the scores just would be 2-3 shots lower because the best putters already consistently finish higher. I dont see how that accomplishes the stated goal of "creating drama". Hailey King's putt at DGPT finals was dramatic regardless of the basket size.
2-3 shots higher
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Old 11-17-2020, 11:25 PM
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Maybe. Gotta test it.
I agree. Let's see this basket and test the heck out of it.
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Old 11-18-2020, 07:24 AM
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I still don't understand how a smaller basket increases disc golf drama. Old man has said repeatedly it will be an across the board lowering of made putts. The top 5 players all made between 86-88% c1x and finished top 10 in that stat over the season.

So basicly you would get the same results, the scores just would be 2-3 shots lower because the best putters already consistently finish higher. I dont see how that accomplishes the stated goal of "creating drama". Hailey King's putt at DGPT finals was dramatic regardless of the basket size.
If it's more difficult to make a putt then it's more likely they will miss.
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Old 11-18-2020, 07:33 AM
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Old 11-18-2020, 07:46 AM
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Marksman/Bullseye baskets catch so poorly (meaning inconsistently- consistency is the key) in my experience that imo you undermine your own argument by bringing them up. If they caught worth poop I would be willing to consider using them here and there. (not an indicator I am a smaller basket true believer, just that my mind isn't completely closed to it)
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:01 AM
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Marksman/Bullseye baskets catch so poorly (meaning inconsistently- consistency is the key) in my experience that imo you undermine your own argument by bringing them up. If they caught worth poop I would be willing to consider using them here and there. (not an indicator I am a smaller basket true believer, just that my mind isn't completely closed to it)
If you watch the video both guys agree with me. Something smaller then now but not as narrow as Marksman/Bullseye. It's relevant because we know that design is too narrow.
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:15 AM
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Instead of narrower, why not reduce the vertical opening?

Among other things, it would be relatively simple to retrofit baskets, including temporarily for tournament purposes. If wanted.
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:18 AM
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Video by 2 podcasters as evidence. And even in the video “I like it as a practice basket, I like it for fun unsanctioned events, I’m not certain I like it on a professional level.”

Even the argument that scores aren’t reflective of the sport is poor. In comparison to what? Soccer and basketball have the same objective, put the ball in the goal to score points, but the rules are different, ball is different, environment is different, approach is different.

Disc golf isn’t golf. They are 2 somewhat similar but entirely different sports, and should be treated as such. We can’t compare the two as apples to apples, or disc golf to anything else as apples to apples. Basketball games routinely have scores in the 90s, and soccer a score of 5 is a high scoring game. Golf may be a game of -5/6/7 whatever, but disc golf is a game of -14/15/16. That’s the nature of the game. That doesn’t mean it’s easier, it’s just different and scoring reflects that.

The whole argument reminds me of the push by a small minority to raise basketball baskets to 12’ a couple years ago. Very similar arguments, but ultimately didn’t happen. Why? Because it would have fundamentally changed the sport. Some people don’t like watching guys dunk on each other all the time, but a lot of people do. Some folks don’t like watching pros hit 10 30’ putts in a row, but a lot of people do.

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Old 11-18-2020, 08:56 AM
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Instead of narrower, why not reduce the vertical opening?

Among other things, it would be relatively simple to retrofit baskets, including temporarily for tournament purposes. If wanted.
This was my initial thought as well. Rather than postulating endlessly about it I actually tried it- easy enough to put a couple more holes in a basket pole. Basket modified this way catches fine regarding consistency. It does however hugely favor the flat high speed putt which is one of the main complaints with some of the high end baskets already.

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