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Old 11-21-2019, 08:26 AM
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IMO KJ has a bigger smash factor efficiency considering how little energy he uses in the x-step with a more compact weightshift.

Seppo uses more of a side shuffle hop or x-hop, than a crow hop.

I still see significant mechanics of power generation in KJs upper body movement and his super wide stance on the final step though. With Seppo its like it comes out of almost nowhere. Its just always struck me as a very interesting lesson in mechanics to watch him.
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Old 11-21-2019, 03:26 PM
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Seppo's head and shoulders thrust forward much more than KJ, and look at the left leg, Seppo raises his foot to keep balance and KJ's stays nearly planted. They're quite different.
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Old 11-21-2019, 03:35 PM
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Seppo's head and shoulders thrust forward much more than KJ, and look at the left leg, Seppo raises his foot to keep balance and KJ's stays nearly planted. They're quite different.
from post 1 "nearly identical except for the momentum."

Both things mentioned are due to more momentum going in.

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Old 11-21-2019, 03:52 PM
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I still see significant mechanics of power generation in KJs upper body movement and his super wide stance on the final step though.
Disagree with you on KJ's stance and power generation. He is more stacked upright, compact, centered, and efficient.

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Old 11-21-2019, 04:28 PM
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from post 1 "nearly identical except for the momentum."

Both things mentioned are due to more momentum going in.
I agree, I think both of the posts by takman and DoWork are unknowingly agreeing with SW22.

So on this note, does this mean that more momentum going into the plant (or more precisely: leading up to the plant before the move) requires less precision on technique, especially regarding "the move" or the rear leg? Now obviously, it's harder to actually utilize that momentum and not leak power, but is this line of thinking correct?

This seems like the major distinction between standstill and x-step shots and could explain why an x-step always feels easier to me, because the rear leg motion is way more important in a standstill.

Or another way of looking at it could be that you need to generate x amount of force into the plant and x=y+z where "y" is the amount of force that comes from the momentum of the x-step and "z" the amount of force that comes from the "move" or the rear leg pushing into the plant.

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Old 11-21-2019, 07:09 PM
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Disagree with you on KJ's stance and power generation. He is more stacked upright, compact, centered, and efficient.


Maybe Im describing it incorrectly.

KJ to me looks like hes trying hard to throw hard. Seppo looks like hes barely putting any effort in. If they were punches, KJ would be throwing a haymaker and Seppo would be jabbing.

Maybe Im way off, as I didnt even know the correct terminology in describing Seppos footwork but its just a casual observation in general. Ive always been kind of in awe at how he generates his arm speed, seemingly so effortlessly.
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Old 11-22-2019, 03:12 AM
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IMO KJ has a bigger smash factor efficiency considering how little energy he uses in the x-step with a more compact weightshift.

Seppo uses more of a side shuffle hop or x-hop, than a crow hop.
I have to use the slight hop in my most powerful driving throws as I am otherwise going to trip over my other foot in the throw, I have done that and landed on the concrete tee pad. I do have end arm motion wasted as I throw with hand pointed where I want to have disc fly or 10% to the right of there but that is due to how I would then be having disc in hand longer then I want with my fingers kind of helping with this. I use a power slant type throw with the disc and sometimes in the finger joints the disc gets stuck longer if I were to use the full end motion with the disc going off in a much different direction then I intended to.
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Old 11-22-2019, 09:21 AM
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from post 1 "nearly identical except for the momentum."

Both things mentioned are due to more momentum going in.
....and the difference in momentum is caused by everything previous to it, which looks very different to me. 'The Hit' is similar, but it is similar in most all top pros, which is why they are top pros.

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No one is going to comment that KJ routinely does NOT rotate his plant foot and it pretty much stays sideways? Very little to no heel rotation.
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Old 11-22-2019, 03:24 PM
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No one is going to comment that KJ routinely does NOT rotate his plant foot and it pretty much stays sideways? Very little to no heel rotation.
Maybe that's because of 'momentum'.
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