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Old 03-20-2014, 10:58 PM
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My main course I play is short but VERY technical. I love my Envy, but I have decided I need a more OS putter to drive around the 80 degree turn, low ceiling, short doglegs. I have never thrown a Prodiscus so I decided to order a premium Jokeri....there are none to be found anywhere!

What I am looking for is a more OS Envy with a touch more glide. According to the inFlight chart, these three seem to be the closest to what I am needing.

How do these discs compare? I am interested mostly in premium plastic as the course looks like a forest on the moon.

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Old 03-20-2014, 11:07 PM
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I think the Envy's pretty close to the 300S PA1 I have (for me it was a combo of the PA1 and Breaker). The Jokeri will be beefier but won't have more glide. I would look at the Suspect if I were you.

If you're looking at InBounds, these would be my suggestions.

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Old 03-20-2014, 11:26 PM
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I would look at a Zone, a Pig, or the Gator. Inbounds chart makes the Gator look like a longer disc, but in my experience it's really not. Brand new, I think I can throw a Pig farther than a Gator and the Pig is pretty overstable. Anyway, I think any of those would fit the bill for a more OS Envy in premium plastic.
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:27 AM
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hey Hughes, OP said "a touch more glide." So zones, pigs, and gators are not what he's asking for ... yet ...

OP: overstable and glide are like oil & water, they don't mingle. The good news is that less glide = more predictability. To get 250' you need to throw them hard. (note: Hughes has thrown my Jokeri & Zone about 260' )

FYI: the Jokeri doesn't glide all that well either, and is about half a overstable as a zone.
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Tensor might also work. I feel like it has a bit more glide than some of the others.
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Just get a fresher Envy, LOL.
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hey Hughes, OP said "a touch more glide." So zones, pigs, and gators are not what he's asking for ... yet ...

OP: overstable and glide are like oil & water, they don't mingle. The good news is that less glide = more predictability. To get 250' you need to throw them hard. (note: Hughes has thrown my Jokeri & Zone about 260' )

FYI: the Jokeri doesn't glide all that well either, and is about half a overstable as a zone.
The specific hole I was quoting is only 200' from tee to pole. 100 foot tunnel that is 20 feet wide by 15 foot high doglegs 80 degrees left 100 foot downhill.

I have hit the pole with help of a cross wind with my Alias, my problem is overshooting the window with Alias and digging dirt too soon if I try to put enough hyzer on the Envy to turn the corner(low ceiling).

As for OS and glide, I guess I was thinking high speed glide, but after looking at all of the putters on inbounds, I see that is very rare. Perhaps I need to dig my very first mid back out(roc3), I thought I had put it to bed forever.
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the 80 degree turn, low ceiling, short doglegs
This bit here reeks of a Firebird with a skip.

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The specific hole I was quoting is only 200' from tee to pole. 100 foot tunnel that is 20 feet wide by 15 foot high doglegs 80 degrees left 100 foot downhill.
As does this

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Old 03-21-2014, 09:31 AM
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In terms of overstable putters, the Credo is probably the most overstable and best feeling putter on the market. Something you could check out.
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The specific hole I was quoting is only 200' from tee to pole. 100 foot tunnel that is 20 feet wide by 15 foot high doglegs 80 degrees left 100 foot downhill.
You've described the flight path of a Trident thrown low and flat. I prefer the feel of gold line, but also carry one in Opto.

I think the Opto has a bit more skip, but otherwise flies the same.
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